Can I as an EU citizen please opt out of this nonsens?
Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose
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Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose
#492Since the article doesn't actually repeat what Apple has said, here's what Apple says: == Begin quote == The iOS system has traditionally provided support for Home Screen web apps by building directly on WebKit and its security architecture. That integration means Home Screen web apps are managed to align with the security and privacy model for native apps on iOS, including isolation of storage and enforcement of sys…
Without this type of isolation and enforcement, malicious... camera, microphone or location ... Browsers ... 30 some million lines of code in chromium browsers. Thats bigger than the linux kernel. The HN crowed might not LIKE apples response but they have a very defensible position. Edit: Its not like we haven't seen this play out on the desktop recently: https://www.theverge.com/24054329/microsoft-edge-automatic-c..…
It makes absolutely no sense. Apple could have pointed out to the EU that there are major and not - in the given time - fixable security issues with allowing other browsers on the home screen. PWA runtime platform could be seen as imho. other market than general web browsers. PWA serve niche markets (and corporate in-house) and this move may hurt the long tail in the EU but also globally.
Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose
#493Can I as an EU citizen please opt out of this nonsens?
Yes. Don't buy apple anymore.
Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose
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Thanks for posting that. I'm no iOS expert but it actually sounds like a pretty reasonable explanation. It's at least good to hear Apple's side here, and more knowledgeable commenters here can weigh in as to whether it really does seem genuine.
It's a massive blow for PWAs. There are a lot of corporate apps that are PWAs as the app stores do not really support "private" distribution of apps (other than via MDM-based solutions which doesn't work for use cases where you don't control the users' devices). Furthermore, by forcing the apps to load in a browser tab (rather than as a full screen home screen app) it breaks the support for push notifications. In my…
So much this. I am the author of a barcode scanning library for JavaScript, my customers are mainly SMBs running in-house apps, and they love frigging PWAs.
- No App Store review
- Full control of distribution channel
- Instant deployment from CI/CD
- Single codebase
- Easy to source developers, even in-house
- No administrative burden from having to maintain accounts at Apple/Google.
Adding to home screen is important for non-technical end-users to recognize it as an "app" and not a "website".
Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose
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Are you sure this isn't a tech industry viewpoint? I don't know anyone who knows what the difference between an app and a PWA is. I don't think I've seen anyone outside of the tech industry with a PWA active. In context 99% of the users I meet don't even know what USB-C is.
> In context 99% of the users I meet don't even know what USB-C is. OH (frequently): - hey I need to to up, do you have a phone charger? - yup, which kind? - not "an Apple" - oh, so USB? - yeah the "standard" one, not the "new usb" That said, I'm surprised many do know about the literal "usb-c" term. Micro USB A though flies over their head, it's "small usb" or "standard usb" every time. Of note: EU here, and while t…
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No it was 6 months old and she doesn't care about it or phones. She thought it was broken. I charged it with my powerbank, an anker PD one and she ordered a proper charger off amazon. I gave her my spare USB-C cable. It was seen as a potential financial inconvenience having to do anything about it as well. Literally many people do not care enough to understand it. It's just a modern necessity, a tool.
This is my wife. She purchased a bunch of USB-A to USB-c cables off Amazon and wonders why her laptop runs out of power while plugged in - it's because the laptop needs 25-30 watts and those cables can only put out 5 watts because they're limited by the USB-A port. USB-c PD is such a dumpster fire of a standard. Even with supposedly high end cables like Anker you often can't charge a Macbook Pro faster than it can dr…
It is a bit curious that you immediately jump to PD being a dumpster fire instead of the much more immediate "apple is a dumpster fire and incompatible just to be obnoxious".
Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose
#497Bad move from Apple. It's time to boycott iOS and move to FOSS alternatives, such as: AOSP, Ubuntu Touch, GNOME Mobile, KDE Plasma, Sailfish OS. Personally I am using both UBports and Sailfish OS and I appreciate the privacy they provide. As a possible workaround to fullscreen PWAs in iOS in the EU, I propose a convention to append some hash to the Web App Manifest start_url, e.g. #__pwa__, then set the default iOS w…
What's a good device to replace my iphone 13 mini?
Xperia XA2, Xperia X, Xperia 10, Xperia XZ2 Compact with Sailfish OS.
Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose
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What's a good device to replace my iphone 13 mini?
I have looked. If you look for a clean experience and not an OS that tracks your every breath and every shake, none. Absolutely none. If you care about a sanely sized phone and not a phablet, then double absolutely none — as in there’s no option in Apple’s stable either. Been using my 14 for some 9 months after 12 mini and every time I look at this monstrosity I regret moving to iPhones because I kinda knew they’d st…
You haven't looked at Xperia XA2/X/XZ2/XZ3/10 on Sailfish OS, have you?
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But the real question is where most of your users live. I’d take a decent wager that most of your users are most familiar with apps and would prefer installing full apps. Doesn’t matter that most apps would be better suited to being a web page or PWA if that’s not where the users are. That’s kind of like saying that PCs are better at gaming than consoles. Yes, that’s true, but that’s not where the majority of users a…
I mean, PWAs aren't made with the goal to maximize User UX. It's a cost saving measure like any other solution that isn't making 2 dedicated native apps for IOS/Android.it won't get as much traffic as a native app, but it's almost "free" to deploy. To use the gaming console example, it's not unlike using an emulator to launch your game on PC (if you could somehow monetize an emulated rom). It's not the ideal experien…
I find PWAs to have a vastly superior UX. I can trust that they are running in the strongest sandbox my device has to offer. I don’t have to download anything, and I don’t have to update anything. I don’t have to remember any account passwords to install anything, and my ad blockers and password managers just work inside them. I don’t have to worry about arbitrary content policies of Apple or Google, the app can just show me whatever it wants.
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Windows was both. If you were buying a computer in the early 2000s, it was almost certainly a Windows PC.
That was because Microsoft abused their monopoly in operating systems at the time to force OEMs to use their OS on all their computers in order to maintain the industry discounts on OEM licensing.
Also because there weren’t really any credible alternatives