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Or they could just not.
What's the benefit for you as a user to side with Apple on things like this?
Looking at these things as sides is a mistake. Instead of just being tribal, it's better to look positions on their merits.
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> The point of being in Apple ecosystem is that you trust Apple, This seems to be over-generalization? Users are using Apple devices because those are good products, not because they want to delegate every single trust problem to the Apple ecosystem. That might be a great proposition for people like you, but there is a significant number of people who consider it a compromise rather than a value.
Users trust Apple because Apple is ultimately accountable for security breaches on iOS devices. If a 3rd party app causes a data breach it does not matter if the breach was made possible by compliance with regulations like the DMA, Apple will still take the blame.
As a long time user of Windows which historically had an incomparably large amount of security incidents, I can assure you that Apple won't get blamed that much for 3rd party data breach unless it involves Apple's own service and user data.
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This is why I purchase iOS devices - ultimately their closed garden provides a smaller attack surface, clearly evidenced by the comparative (to Android) cost of exploits on the black market. I cannot see this as anticompetitive. If you want open, you have that choice in Android.
I'm sorry to say the EU regulators disagree with you on that.
As a European dev I want apple to fail super hard and implode. They used to be so cool and make slick hardware for their nische but now I'm happy to use worse hardware as long as they disapear from the face of the earth.
They ain't never been cool. The shit practices they are trying to defend were there from day 1 and are baked into their DNA. Treating their users like stupid animals that don't know what's good for them is what they do. And they will fight tooth and nail to continue to do it. Even as EU tries to kick their predatory ways out of them. To think there's a hardware thing in 2024 that does not allow its owner to compile a…
"I have an iPhone, and if I move from here and go over there and sit with my Democrat friends, which would make them real nervous, does Google track my movement?" -- Ted Poe
https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/google-ceo-pichai-grilled-o...
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> The point of being in Apple ecosystem is that you trust Apple, This seems to be over-generalization? Users are using Apple devices because those are good products, not because they want to delegate every single trust problem to the Apple ecosystem. That might be a great proposition for people like you, but there is a significant number of people who consider it a compromise rather than a value.
>there is a significant number of people who consider it as a compromise rather than a value. I suspect that from Apple's perspective, it is definitively not a significant number. For Apple, ownership of the "trust problem" is an intrinsic part of "making good products".
Yes, this might be true. And the majority of elected officials in EU fundamentally disagrees with that statement.
Since the article doesn't actually repeat what Apple has said, here's what Apple says: == Begin quote == The iOS system has traditionally provided support for Home Screen web apps by building directly on WebKit and its security architecture. That integration means Home Screen web apps are managed to align with the security and privacy model for native apps on iOS, including isolation of storage and enforcement of sys…
The “low usage” comment is going to be more ammo against Apple unfortunately. The whole reason they are low usage on PWAs is because of a lack of investment from Apple and a lack of parity, yet for the longest time Apple has played both sides by saying PWAs are a viable alternative to the App Store, all while channeling people to App Store for actual app downloads and not providing similar marketing or anything for P…
In context 99% of the users I meet don't even know what USB-C is.
Bummer, so all these recent news about Apple allowing push notifications and PWAs to iPhone was for nothing?
EU is only sixths of world GDP and shrinking.
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naive people accept at face value PR speak. unwilling to look past that and look for other ulterior motives even less charitable ones would pretty much be textbook naivety to me.
I didn’t ask because I think someone should take a company’s word at face value. I asked because the thing this company said in this particular instance aligned with what I’d heard from other (independent) parties and I wanted to know why this person seemed so sure about that being wrong.
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From the (admittedly little) I know about how iOS handles security and the speed at which they responded this sounds like a pretty credible explanation to me. What makes you think it isn't?
Have to agree (disclaimer, haven't been an iPhone user since the 4). Suddenly allowing all browsers to have those kinds of native permissions, even with massive testing, sounds like a security nightmare. You're introducing an entire extra dimension for security holes, given how much trust people place in their phones. This doesn't sound at all the same as allowing other engines for use inside browsers, based on both…
Is there some flaw in iOS that makes it harder to secure than the desktop?
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> Because that's literally what it says when you really read into it? I know it's used as an intensifier, but this feels like a particularly bad place to use "literally" that way. > They acknowledge that 1) Safari already has all the integrations required to support PWA securely Not really sure how to respond to this. An airliner already has all the controls required for being piloted. Why am I not allowed to pilot m…
> Not really sure how to respond to this. An airliner already has all the controls required for being piloted. Why am I not allowed to pilot my next commercial flight? What kind of ridiculous "argument" is this? Am I putting hundreds of other people in risk by installing Firefox on my iPhone? The fact remains that the EU in fact does intend to put you in front the airliner's controls. You can of course choose to turn…
Certainly it’s an extreme example, but yes, giving people the ability to install other browsers and app stores is increasing their risk. This ruling makes it possible for some companies to decide to only allow their app to be installed through an alternate app store, which won’t necessarily restrict malicious code in the same way.