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Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by qaq »

edent wrote: post #195
qaq wrote: post #172

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Well I worked in both EU(Ireland) and US for the same company on the same projects the comp difference is huge. So all the safety nets might buy you more peace of mind but pragmatically you are better off just having an extra rainy day fund from the portion of extra income you get in the US.

If your comp was that much higher, surely a few bucks a month for Union membership would have been an incidental expense?

If I was sure it would not become just another layer of corporate bureaucracy one has to navigate sure. In my possibly biased experience the people climbing any type of power structure are same type personality wise be it union or corporation or goverment agency

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by prmoustache »

paulddraper wrote: post #235
prmoustache wrote: post #96

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I am pretty sure the guy was working remotely.

That doesn't change anything about the comment, other than "security walk you out."

Yes it does. When working remotely most communication, and even work, is usually done asynchronously. Which makes email or instant messaging system the most appropriate way to communicate you are no longer part of the company.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by akira2501 »

AndrewPGameDev wrote: post #204
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #44

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The “people first” company was Auth0. The company that sent the email and terminated access instantly was Okta. Fairly clear to me.

How can a company be "people first" when they sell out to a larger company who isn't "people first"?

The management was people first. The owners were VC. So maybe the original owners didn't care enough to interfere with the working management policy. The new owners do.

So.. "incidentally people first just until we can exit."

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by oars »

Something I've learnt about layoffs:

It's to no one's advantage for employers to give a reason. It just invites pushback/argument. Better to just say "you can't fight management/VPs/people above our pay grade" and move on.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by paulddraper »

prmoustache wrote: post #252
paulddraper wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't change anything about the comment, other than "security walk you out."

Yes it does. When working remotely most communication, and even work, is usually done asynchronously. Which makes email or instant messaging system the most appropriate way to communicate you are no longer part of the company.

> When working remotely most communication, and even work, is usually done asynchronously

I guess it could be.

There are lots of tools (Zoom, Tandem, Gather) that explicitly facilitate synchronous remote work.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by mparnisari »

CalRobert wrote: post #211
sokoloff wrote: post #113

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What do you mean it’s not talked about? It was an incredibly common theme during the celebrations of remote work increases. A: "Finally, I can work from anywhere and don't have to live in an expensive place and commute to that office every day." B-Z: "Um, don't you think that being able to work from anywhere increases the possibility of the company to hire from anywhere as well? And that it's not guaranteed to be you…

To be fair, there's also those of us in Europe splitting the difference. Auth0 is interesting in that it kinda did this from the start - a lot of the engineering was in South America - especially Argentina (it was founded by an Argentinian after all!) and there was great talent in nearly the same time zone. I don't understand why more companies in the US don't look at Latin America for affordable engineering talent.

> don't understand why more companies in the US don't look at Latin America for affordable engineering talent.

i can only speak for Argentina. It's because the economic situation is bad and having people on payroll there is a nightmare. Constant fluctuations of exchange rates, employees asking to be paid in USD when the only legal currency is ARS, etc.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by _heimdall »

rglullis wrote: post #218
_heimdall wrote: post #217

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It sounds like we actually see that the same, I'm trying to make a slightly different point. Say I'm a software developer specifically working on the frontend library for an authentication service. The company needs to trust me with access to parts of the system and infrastructure pertinent to that feature. I very much agree that I should be locked out of other areas that I don't need for the job, for example I shoul…

You could continue to work on things, but your access would be set to read-only and you'd lose commit rights, or you'd be working on a completely separate branch and as part of the transition process someone else on the team would have to be able to report they have successfully merged worked from your tree to the main one.

Going back to my original point in this thread, aren't you describing how the post-firing lockout is based on the company's mistrust of the employee rather than the other way around, right?

My point was never that there aren't security protocols that could be used, only that its not relevant whether the employee trusts the company in that scenario.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by evantbyrne »

edent wrote: post #221
evantbyrne wrote: post #212

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I've negotiated raises without being unionized. I've paid lawyers for contract negotiations. It still stands that in this specific instance it doesn't appear that the suggestion of unionization is relevant. Notably absent from your story is your job title, salary, whether you were personally unionized, and any mention of anything the union actually did for you personally. I'm not saying unions are generally bad, but…

I'm sorry for not giving you my full CV. You can look it up on LinkedIn if you like.

Sure! Looks like you aren't an American, which explains the disconnect. According to Glassdoor, senior engineers typically earn twice as much in Seattle than London. That's not including the value of stock options that would come from being at a successful startup, which could easily be 10x a person's annual salary on IPO or acquisition, although that is more difficult to generalize. Obviously your individual situation may be totally different. Point being, Yank developers are not usually desperate to form unions.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by dablya »

rakoo wrote: post #72
chippiewill wrote: post #47

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Unfortunately like student unions they don't keep the focus on their actual remit and delving into irrelevant politics: https://palestine.utaw.tech/advocate/

That all depends what a union is about to you. To me, it is totally on-topic.

So... not really like having a lawyer on retainer?

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by stevage »

robertlagrant wrote: post #242
stevage wrote: post #232

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Perks and rights are extremely different. Companies can't take rights away.

Well, laws create rights, not unions, as far as I understand things.

Not sure if you're just being obtuse, but: Workers' rights that are written into law are often there because unions lobbied for them.
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