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Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by benn0 »

Scubabear68 wrote: post #21
larrik wrote: post #7

I switched to an M1 Air back at the beginning of 2021, was on Linux (desktop machine) about a decade before that. It's basically purely a work machine (software and management). The hardware is amazing. The battery life is astounding. The software, in almost every area, is inferior to my experience in Linux. The Apple parts generally worst of all (only Microsoft Office on it is worse). In the end, I'm probably 70% as…

It seems a lot of those gripes are about specific apps, or simply not understanding that MacOS does somethings differently. By contrast I have never been able to use Linux successfully as a desktop OS because there is a dearth of polished commercial apps, and the HW compatibility has always been iffy. MacOS generally works out of the box with the HW, and the apps are generally highly polished. I caveat the apps as “g…

This x100. I have regularly tried to set up a Linux environment, thinking that there really isn't that much of a barrier to being productive on Linux, but with the lack of polished commercial apps and the hardware quirks I always seem to spend more time finding workarounds than actually working.

I have found more recently that I can get something reasonable (for me) set up, although I'm confident I'll always need a Mac nearby to do some things on.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by HideousKojima »

pests wrote: post #95
HideousKojima wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

People have used pen names all the time. Look at you, HideousKojima. What's your real name? Why do you pretend to be this online alias? Is it normal to hide your identity and interact as if you were someone else?

[flagged]

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by ZekeSulastin »

E39M5S62 wrote: post #68
blastersyndrome wrote: post #50

I thought Asahi Linux's sole developer didn't allow discussion of his project here? I remember there being quite a lot of fallout from that, what happened?

How can someone forbid discussion of something on a site they don't own/control?

They can’t forbid discussion but they can try to make it so people visiting from HN can’t see the page; they aren’t the only ones, either, as the poster upthread mentioning jwz’s image redirect noted.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by wtallis »

tech_ken wrote: post #118
wtallis wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may wish to note that I'm explicitly not telling the OS user to just "get with the program". I'm telling the OS user that they need to understand the OS before they can effectively modify it to suit their needs.

> Still, it's annoying when you search for how to do something in OS X and the first few threads are full of people saying "that isn't how it works! Instead of wanting to change it, you need to understand and follow the Apple Way™!" > Being mad at software for operating in a different paradigm than you are used to is not productive. This all applies just as much to users coming to macOS from Windows (or imitations th…

I don't think I'm the one being glib here. I'm trying to both illustrate that there's a problem that truly is general and not specific to macOS, and trying to make the fine distinction between telling users to understand and suck it up vs telling users to understand so that they can better figure out how to get what they want. That latter distinction is what you seem to be having more trouble with.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by paulddraper »

monooso wrote: post #37
larrik wrote: post #7

I switched to an M1 Air back at the beginning of 2021, was on Linux (desktop machine) about a decade before that. It's basically purely a work machine (software and management). The hardware is amazing. The battery life is astounding. The software, in almost every area, is inferior to my experience in Linux. The Apple parts generally worst of all (only Microsoft Office on it is worse). In the end, I'm probably 70% as…

Some people prefer Linux (or Windows) to macOS, and that's perfectly reasonable. Some of your gripes are a little curious, though: > Solutions? Wait for Apple to fix it (or write a wonky script to fix it on boot, which I did). Eventually they did, but ug. Writing a wonky script to fix something on boot sounds eerily like my Linux experiences. > to support using 3 finger clicks as middle-click I had to buy software. O…

> in some ways macOS works differently to Windows and Linux

No one will disagree.

OP would be a bit more specific, and say "worse."

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by astrange »

echelon_musk wrote: post #4
BirAdam wrote: post #2

Honestly, I have been a bit disappointed by Apple. On one hand, they make some seriously awesome hardware with amazing performance doing tasks like rendering and whatnot. On the other hand, they seem incapable of getting awesome performance in other areas, the hardware is incredibly locked away from the supposed owners of the devices, and the pricing for RAM and storage are insane. I don't want to dislike Apple becau…

> their stand against US law enforcement on things like encryption Are you referring to the San Bernadino shooter's iPhone? Because Apple's attempt to introduce CSAM scanning is certainly not what I would call a stand against US law enforcement.

Automated CSAM scanning is another Europe thing. The US doesn't require it and isn't going to.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by kps »

breather wrote: post #64
shrimp_emoji wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? They exist and they're customizable, unlike Windows's. And I'll bet you you can't bind xkill to Ctrl-Alt-Esc, and your cursor turns into a little skull-and-crossbones, and whatever you click immediately vaporizes via a SIGKILL, on a Mac. :p

I'm referring specifically to the use of ctrl as a primary key for both the shell and the ux. How did this happen? Anyway, keybindings are certainly changeable if you're ready to dive into a hundred distinct projects each defining their own key handling. There's no truly system wide way to alter system keybindings in any meaningful sense.

It happened because Windows adopted IBM CUA, and the ‘desktop Linux’ crowd had a fetish for copying Windows. Before that, X11 programs were typically fully configurable, with key bindings in X resources.

Currently I think KDE is the least-bad option, as common shortcuts can be remapped globally, but it could be a lot better — Qt can universally remap ‘Control’ shortcuts to the GUI key, but it's only available on Mac builds.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by psanford »

paulmd wrote: post #111
psanford wrote: post #25

I love this work, but I will point out that the Asahi GPU driver still struggles on certain real world workloads. The one I run into quite often is that Google Maps will hang for long periods of time. This is a known issue and they are working on it, so I'm sure it will be fixed sometime this year.

wouldn't surprise me if google maps had some obscene amount of drawcalls instead of proper culling/"LOD"

From the gpu issue tracker[0]:

> For a bit of context -- Google Maps loads images to the GPU at.. inopportune times. While games would typically load their images during a load screen (so slow image loading just means longer loading screens), Google Maps loads when scrolling around I think (so slow image loading means the whole map stutters). I don't think there's a fundamental driver bug we can fix here, but we can make image loading a lot faster which makes the symptoms go away.

[0]: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/linux/issues/72#issuecomment-1...

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by squigz »

pests wrote: post #101
nozzlegear wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone else is asking how they wouldn’t allow discussion on HN, but I’m more interested in why they don’t want discussion on HN?

Someone in the project considers HN not a safe-space for queer viewpoints / racist / homophobic. I am very much at a loss as well as this has never been my experience. A lot of the arguments started with "when you enable showdead, there's lots of dead comments of people being vile". Just not sure what to say.

Here's some context [0]

Indeed, it does often boil down to dead comments being... not great, unsurprisingly.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36226845

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by threeseed »

echelon_musk wrote: post #4
BirAdam wrote: post #2

Honestly, I have been a bit disappointed by Apple. On one hand, they make some seriously awesome hardware with amazing performance doing tasks like rendering and whatnot. On the other hand, they seem incapable of getting awesome performance in other areas, the hardware is incredibly locked away from the supposed owners of the devices, and the pricing for RAM and storage are insane. I don't want to dislike Apple becau…

> their stand against US law enforcement on things like encryption Are you referring to the San Bernadino shooter's iPhone? Because Apple's attempt to introduce CSAM scanning is certainly not what I would call a stand against US law enforcement.

> Apple's attempt to introduce CSAM scanning

Apple almost certainly has CSAM scanning and has had so for years.

They just wanted to move it to your device where it's private rather than doing so server side.

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