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Looks like you never actually had to pay for COBRA out of pocket. It's not financially feasible for the large majority of people, especially those who didn't have to pay out of pocket for their coverage previously. A single person can be ~$800USD, and if you want to cover dependents in your family, at least double it.
My family coverage was $1900.
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Because losing your job is really a bummer everywhere, but in Europe you've got a lot of things covered by the welfare state (how well, it's a different discussion), so it's less stressful, which reduces the probability of people being really pissed . In the US, you're probably out of healthcare in the blink of an eye, may have no severance, no coverage, no unemployment benefits, and in some cases it'd mean deportati…
Cobra enables continued healthcare, many states have unemployment benefits, and I believe in all cases (?) you have some number of days to get a new visa sponsor.
The max unemployment benefits for any state is not going to cover much of anything, you better have savings to fall back on.
And for those on H1B, there is a 60 day grace period. Maybe in 2021-2022 it was extremely easy, but today? A lot of people will be lucky to get through a full interview loop in that time.
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How does joining a union prevent someone from being laid off after a merger? Unions have their place, but I'm skeptical that someone–especially a presumably high-paid employee–could collectively bargain their way out of a planned post-merger mass firing.
It doesn't prevent someone getting laid off. It makes sure that the process is fair and legal. It ensures that at-risk individuals have a chance to apply for available internal roles. A Union can use their legal powers to enforce proper compensation for an individual who is laid off and that remaining staff are protected. Your question is a bit like asking "how does insurance stop my house catching on fire?" - it doe…
This bit at the end: > and learned an enormous amount about what it means to build and run a people-first company Seems at odds with this bit at the beginning: > And then it happened, I got the email. Slack didn't work. My laptop restarted and came back with accounts missing. It really, actually happened. And even though the writing seemed to be on the wall, I was still caught a bit off guard. This industry (not spec…
The “people first” company was Auth0. The company that sent the email and terminated access instantly was Okta. Fairly clear to me.
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Cobra enables continued healthcare, many states have unemployment benefits, and I believe in all cases (?) you have some number of days to get a new visa sponsor.
The way you speak of all of these things just makes it obvious you've never been laid off and in the position to need to utilize these things. COBRA lets you keep your existing plan, but you pay for the entire premium. In most cases this is $1000-2000 per month. For someone in survival mode and needing to find where to cut costs, 2k per month could be more than their rent. The max unemployment benefits for any state…
Most of the world (which isn’t the U.S. or Europe) is even worse.
I don’t get it why the US company layoff culture is so different from what I’m familiar with, the European one. What are they afraid of that people need to be locked out? That one brings a gun to work? Here you get laid off, get a notice, are expected to continue working for a while (but depending on your work ethic you’ll take it easy), consume your remaining PTO, complain to your coworkers about what happened durin…
> What are they afraid of that people need to be locked out? That one brings a gun to work? So I'm a Brit who briefly worked over in Alabama for a few months and yes, that was a genuine concern with some of the folks that were let go by the company. It was well known that quite a few staff members had firearms in their vehicles.
You better believe he was locked out as soon as he could be removed from the building, and we had armed security there for some time after his termination.
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Given that this is the US, he was probably sued and is still in prison. Also, this is an insanely childish way to act – again to the original commenter. It it seems like there is a difference in US an EU culture here.
> Also, this is an insanely childish way to act – again to the original commenter. It it seems like there is a difference in US an EU culture here. It is, but safety protocols are put in for the extreme unexpected case. "Regulations are written in blood" and all that. Not all Americans are childish any more than no EU citizens are.
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It doesn't prevent someone getting laid off. It makes sure that the process is fair and legal. It ensures that at-risk individuals have a chance to apply for available internal roles. A Union can use their legal powers to enforce proper compensation for an individual who is laid off and that remaining staff are protected. Your question is a bit like asking "how does insurance stop my house catching on fire?" - it doe…
The tradeoff is that people lose their ability to bargain individually, which is why you rarely see unionization of high-paid workers in the US. I think whether it makes sense for an individual to unionize really depends on their ability to negotiate. The more highly paid that a worker is and the more unique their role is, the less they have to gain from unionization vs looking at internal job postings and hiring an…
I've worked in private companies where the maximum comp is set by management and they do not allow individual negotiations. And I've worked in heavily unionised organisations where I was able to negotiate a better deal for myself.
Do you really think your unique talents will save you from a lecherous boss or protect you from being discriminated against?
And, if you wanted to sue, how much will an attorney's retainer cost? Hint - probably a lot more than you Union dues!
I don’t get it why the US company layoff culture is so different from what I’m familiar with, the European one. What are they afraid of that people need to be locked out? That one brings a gun to work? Here you get laid off, get a notice, are expected to continue working for a while (but depending on your work ethic you’ll take it easy), consume your remaining PTO, complain to your coworkers about what happened durin…
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Auth0 was a much better place to work than Okta.
as a potential client, they were also night and day different. I had great sales conversations with Auth0, and they had so many easy to follow examples, tutorials, etc. Very helpful engineers on the call, who asked questions about our environments, etc. A sales call with Okta just left me feeling dirty. It felt a lot like my sales calls when I was an Oracle customer. All about how many products they could push on us,…