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Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by remram »

ricenews wrote: post #143
_heimdall wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I prefer 'blessed', and not in the corny #blessed way, to describe my condition. To me, I was given much because so much is expected of me by God, by universe and by my higher self. How do you avoid this leading to a feeling that you, and anyone else "blessed", is more important that others? Should we really assume that the condition of one's life is an indicator of both the existence of a higher power and of that…

Not OP, but I’ll take a crack at responding. The feeling of being “blessed” is the recognition that a substantial component of your current fortune is due to circumstances outside your control, whether due to a higher power, support from family/friends, raw luck, or the kindness of strangers. The proper and typical response to this feeling is one of gratitude, not self-importance, and the desired response is to contr…

What you're describing is better captured by the word "lucky". "Blessed" is lucky plus an acknowledgement that this luck was granted to you on purpose by a higher power, so you deserved it in a karmic way (though not operational way). It really irks me too.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by [deleted] »

Vinnl wrote: post #37
edent wrote: post #2

Join a Union. The bitter truth is your employer has a lot more lawyers than you do. For all the talk about how well-compensated and in-demand tech workers are, the reality is usually different. You need someone in your corner to help you fight for your rights. If you're a tech worker in the UK, you can get three months free membership at https://prospect.org.uk/join/

Anyone have any idea how this would/could work for a company with employees in many different countries? Especially if the number of employees in your own country is low? (Single or low double digits.)

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Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by mgaunard »

ollysb wrote: post #117
mgaunard wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Europe, for some jobs, you'll be granted garden leave, i.e. you can stay home during your notice and still be paid. It's essentially a mechanism where they avoid having someone with a negative mentality that's not going to work hard anyway around the office.

Gardening leave is usually for positions where the employee holds competitive information on active deals etc. During the gardening leave they're under NDA which allows for their competitive information to go stale before starting at a new company.

Non-disclosure, non-compete and notice are different things that you're mixing together.

Notice is compulsory -- you simply cannot let go of the employee immediately and must continue paying them for 3 months (or up to 4 months in some countries where every calendar month started is due).

Non-compete is opt-in by the employer, and allows them to prevent you from working for a competitor (for up to one year I believe). In exchange the employer must still pay your previous salary (some employers will ask employees without compensation, but that's not legally enforceable).

Non-disclosure means that you're not able to disclose company and trade secrets, similarly to an NDA. It is a standard term in most employment contracts and usually applies for one year, regardless of the non-compete being enforced or not.

It is fairly common to send people for garden leave during their notice, but actually extending it further by enforcing the non-compete is a costly thing and will only be done for strategic employees.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by rglullis »

madsbuch wrote: post #156
panick21_ wrote: post #150

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Tying healthcare to employment is a uniquely stupid idea.

It is the case in much of EU also: In Germany most of the healthcare is covered by the employer. In Denmark, where I reside, you get an extra coverage with most (tech-)employments that provides access you wouldn't have otherwise.

> covered by the employer

Only 50%, no?

Also, in Germany the cost of insurance is tied to income. So I went from the bizarre situation where I went from paying ~500€ while employed to less than 200€ now that my business is not generating substantial revenue.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by vladvasiliu »

jwr wrote: post #159
madsbuch wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is the case in much of EU also: In Germany most of the healthcare is covered by the employer. In Denmark, where I reside, you get an extra coverage with most (tech-)employments that provides access you wouldn't have otherwise.

Yes, the employers pay, but you do not lose your healthcare immediately after being fired. The state provides it for you as part of the social security net. I don't know specifically about Germany or Denmark, but I suppose it's the same across the EU.

In France you can keep the insurance you used to have from the employer who fired you, but you'll have to pay for it out of pocket. I don't know whether you'll also keep the same price or if it'll be adjusted up (since you presumably don't benefit from whatever deal the employer managed to get).

If you don't have this insurance (mutuelle), the State does provide the social security (it's provided either way, the mutuelle is on top of this).

But this is basic social security. If you're in a car crash or something, you're mostly covered. If you need work done on your teeth, you're on your own.

When I needed to spend the night in a hospital after breaking my wrist, basic social security covered the ambulance and the actual procedure of putting my arm back together, but had I not had a mutuelle, I would've been on the hook for the hospital stay.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by cptskippy »

rescbr wrote: post #149
artyom wrote: post #135

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Because losing your job is really a bummer everywhere, but in Europe you've got a lot of things covered by the welfare state (how well, it's a different discussion), so it's less stressful, which reduces the probability of people being really pissed . In the US, you're probably out of healthcare in the blink of an eye, may have no severance, no coverage, no unemployment benefits, and in some cases it'd mean deportati…

> and in some cases it'd mean deportation. I completely understand the shittiness of this issue and I'm not from a developed country, but I mean, this is the reality of a temporary work visa, no? I might be more pessimist/realist, but until I receive a permanent residency visa, I'd treat everything as temporary, ready to move back in a couple days notice.

In the US there's an H-1B Visa program that allows skilled workers to come over as a path to citizenship. However the program is fraught with all manner of requirements like company sponsorship. Changing jobs under the H-1B program results in your journey to citizenship being reset, and current bureaucracy and politics have resulted in that journey taking upwards of a decade or more.

As a result of policy, H-1B workers will take substandard pay, abuse, and burdens to maintain a job with a company willing to sponsor them until they can get their Green Card. This creates a from of indentured servitude.

The knock on affect is that it lowers wages for everyone because there's a vast pool of skilled workers willing to accept lower pay from a company willing to maintain sponsorship of them for 10+ years.

Imagine on year 9 you get laid off, now your indentured servitude got extended another 10 years if you can find a new sponsor.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by briffle »

panick21_ wrote: post #150
artyom wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because losing your job is really a bummer everywhere, but in Europe you've got a lot of things covered by the welfare state (how well, it's a different discussion), so it's less stressful, which reduces the probability of people being really pissed . In the US, you're probably out of healthcare in the blink of an eye, may have no severance, no coverage, no unemployment benefits, and in some cases it'd mean deportati…

Tying healthcare to employment is a uniquely stupid idea.

I'd be fine with getting money for healthcare from my employer (especially if it was in a special pre-tax account, like a 401k that I could then use to purchase healthcare), but my being tied to whatever 2-3 plan options the head of HR and company president were wined and dined for seems a little crazy to me.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by fuhrtf »

buro9 wrote: post #99
morgante wrote: post #57

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It has nothing to do with being "people-first" or not. Leaving terminated employees with access to sensitive systems is poor security practice.

That wasn't my point, my point was firing someone via email is heartless, and that employers should have the decency to speak to a person and let them know why. The system access can still be removed at the same time.

I don’t think there’s a good way to lay people off in the remote work era. With emails at least you get a standardized message across. with all hands on deck Skype meetings you can come across as the devil by just mispronouncing 1 word. With Skype 1on1s you expose your remaining employees to embarrassment on TikTok like that one woman recently did.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by estebank »

rescbr wrote: post #149
artyom wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because losing your job is really a bummer everywhere, but in Europe you've got a lot of things covered by the welfare state (how well, it's a different discussion), so it's less stressful, which reduces the probability of people being really pissed . In the US, you're probably out of healthcare in the blink of an eye, may have no severance, no coverage, no unemployment benefits, and in some cases it'd mean deportati…

> and in some cases it'd mean deportation. I completely understand the shittiness of this issue and I'm not from a developed country, but I mean, this is the reality of a temporary work visa, no? I might be more pessimist/realist, but until I receive a permanent residency visa, I'd treat everything as temporary, ready to move back in a couple days notice.

In (some?) other countries work visas are not tied to employer but rather job category, and the length of time waiting for permanent residency is usually 2 years. In the US an H1B can be transferred once you reach the portability threshold if you can find another employer, and depending on the country of origin you can be waiting for permanent residency (green card, not citizenship) for 2 decades. An L1B is tied to an employer and you're effectively illegally in the country as soon as you're laid off. In practice the government gracefully gives you a week to completely uproot your life and get the hell out. I was lucky, I went from arriving in the country to receiving citizenship in ~10 years, but the 4 years trying to get permanent residency were the most stressful of my life, and being spared by layoffs did little to help. Even being privileged knowing you can go elsewhere, and fully open eyed about the situation, it still sucks.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by tw04 »

rollulus wrote: post #4

I don’t get it why the US company layoff culture is so different from what I’m familiar with, the European one. What are they afraid of that people need to be locked out? That one brings a gun to work? Here you get laid off, get a notice, are expected to continue working for a while (but depending on your work ethic you’ll take it easy), consume your remaining PTO, complain to your coworkers about what happened durin…

Who would want that? The US style is the best of both worlds IMO. By cutting you off immediately the company protects itself from rogue employees who may try to harm the company while their access is still enabled.

For the employee, being cut off means you don't actually have to do anymore work for a company that's letting you go. You're either getting severance or you aren't, and I'd much rather collect severance while not having to work. In the instance that they're letting you go without severance: yes that's horrible they just pulled the rug. But usually that's a result of poor performance and you probably should've seen it coming. And frankly that's also why we have unemployment.

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