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Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by mantas »

jwr wrote: post #28
marcosdumay wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least electromagnetic transmitters are something one expect to be regulated. It is bad regulation, but it's just overzealous. Email ban is borderline censorship.

Flipper Zero complies with all regulations, it's a certified consumer device. That it can record and replay a radio signal is not something that should be regulated. We have laws for stealing cars, we don't need to ban specific tools that, among a multitude of other uses, might be used to steal a car.

Sometimes overreaching laws is the only way. E.g. knife carrying laws.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by alephnerd »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #27
alephnerd wrote: post #15

"On February 8, a bomb threat was sent to 13 schools in Chennai, a city in the state of Tamil Nadu in southern India. The threat turned out to be a hoax, and the Tamil Nadu police found that the email was sent via a ProtonMail account. Unable to trace the IP address of the sender and failing to get assistance from Interpol, the Tamil Nadu police put in a request to India's Ministry of Electronics and Information Tech…

Wait until they hear about the inability for US authorities to trace swatting phone calls and robocalls and scam texts. Ban the phone system!

In the US, local PDs can and have litigated telcos over swatting [0].

Every state has a Anti-Swatting Litigation Task Force within their AG now to take Telcos to court over swatting incidents.

On the other hand, India doesn't have a judicial agreement with Switzerland over data sharing for criminal investigations [1] (while the US does [2]), and Protonmail only honors Swiss litigation [3]

This should change with the new India-Switzerland FTA though.

[0] - https://portal.ct.gov/AG/Press-Releases/2022-Press-Releases/...

[1] - https://carnegieendowment.org/files/ParsheeraJha_DataAccess....

[2] - https://www.dataprivacyframework.gov/framework-article/1%E2%...

[3] - https://proton.me/legal/law-enforcement

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by szundi »

rockyj wrote: post #5

Ban everything you cannot control / understand! That is the classic Indian bureaucracy reaction. For example, They also banned tinted windows in cars after an assualt happened in a car. Then, there was a time where they banned something or the other on a daily basis. Even right now there is Section 144 imposed in multiple cities - which means a "ban" on "unlawful assembly" of 5 or more people. 5 or more people in mul…

You are now probably banned also HN.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by rockyj »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #18

https://www.onmanorama.com/content/mm/en/kerala/top-news/202... so apparently a child was abducted and one thing led to another and the child was recovered so the child revealed how he was shown tom and jerry cartoon. the police then went on a fishing trip and literally cross referenced which user in a particular area watched tom and jerry on youtube at a particular time/date to find the cuprits. if this wont get you…

Funnily enough, it reminds me of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnk8Bwk3r_M (from the 17:00 mark)

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by alephnerd »

_heimdall wrote: post #30

There's a pretty egregious misunderstanding of how email works in both the article and the proposed ban. Protonmail can only end-to-end encrypt email when the receiver is also using Protonmail. The email spec has no support for a universal encryption method, one of the reasons we'd be better off not using email at all today. They also don't explain how the inability to track the sender's IP is specific to Protonmail.…

> inability to track the sender's IP is specific to Protonmail

The issue is India doesn't have a judicial agreement with Switzerland over data sharing (which includes User IP Addresses) for criminal investigations [0] while the US does [1], and Protonmail only honors Swiss litigation [2]

This should change with the new India-Switzerland FTA though.

[0] - https://carnegieendowment.org/files/ParsheeraJha_DataAccess....

[1] - https://www.dataprivacyframework.gov/framework-article/1%E2%...

[2] - https://proton.me/legal/law-enforcement

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by acatton »

> ProtonMail is the best choice if you want an end-to-end encrypted email platform

Is this native advertisement? There are many other choices, some of them being as good if not better. A few of them are small mom-and-pop businesses which didn't take on investment, and won't enshittify ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/enshittification )

* https://www.privacytools.io/privacy-email * https://github.com/pluja/awesome-privacy?tab=readme-ov-file#...

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by 1sembiyan »

recroad wrote: post #14

India for all intents and purposes is now an ethno-national state with no press freedom, severe persecution of minorities, and human rights violations aplenty. I grew up in India when it was a relatively secular state. For example, when the Babri Masjid (mosque) was destroyed by Hindus in the early 90s, the national magazine, India Today and major newspapers led with the headline, "India's Shame" and acknowledge how…

1. No press freedom: what explains the presence and popularity of the wire, scroll, news minute, the quint, etc? Traditional print media that’s critical of the current party in power includes The Hindu, Telegraph etc. That there’s no press freedom is false.

2. Ethno-nationalist state: what ethnicity are we talking about here? BJP loses often in elections locally, and majority of their opponents are Hindus.

What India has always been is illiberal. You are weakening your point by exaggerating the current conditions.

Moreover this prosed ban is because we have an overzealous bureaucracy that doesn’t understand technology and does not care to. It’s got nothing to do with what India has become.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by alephnerd »

rockyj wrote: post #5

Ban everything you cannot control / understand! That is the classic Indian bureaucracy reaction. For example, They also banned tinted windows in cars after an assualt happened in a car. Then, there was a time where they banned something or the other on a daily basis. Even right now there is Section 144 imposed in multiple cities - which means a "ban" on "unlawful assembly" of 5 or more people. 5 or more people in mul…

The issue is India doesn't have a judicial agreement with Switzerland over data sharing (which includes User IP Addresses) for criminal investigations [0] while the US does [1], and Protonmail only honors Swiss litigation [2]

This should change with the new India-Switzerland FTA though.

[0] - https://carnegieendowment.org/files/ParsheeraJha_DataAccess....

[1] - https://www.dataprivacyframework.gov/framework-article/1%E2%...

[2] - https://proton.me/legal/law-enforcement

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by qart »

i67vw3 wrote: post #25

Wtf!! I am user of Protonmail and its other services (from India). The protonmail ID is actually my main Email-Id and is used everywhere, even on government sites. Hope https://internetfreedom.in/ steps in or some other organization.

Yep. Same here. I'll get locked out of my bank account too.
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