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Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

alemanek wrote: post #113
pwb25 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wow you are right, they have 3,5%. I thought they had like 25-30%. Safari had 18% apparently, I know 0 people who use Safari

You don’t know anyone who uses an iPhone to browse the web? Pretty sure that is where that Safari market share comes from.

> You don’t know anyone who uses an iPhone to browse the web?

What you write as a joke is in my opinion not one: when I consider the department hallway in the office where I work at (not tech sector), you will, I think, only find 2 iPhone owners among about 25 people. One of these iPhone owners is the boss, and the other one is a programmer who vocal about not liking Android.

So, depending on your surroundings, it is quite possible that seeing iPhones or iPhone owners is actually a somewhat rare event.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Post by eva_cananim »

egberts1 wrote: post #116

First job of next Mozilla CEO is to fire the board and move the corporate headquarter to Germany. There, I've gone and said the quiet part.

I strongly disagree.

The EU wants to force browser makers to have their browsers trust root certificates issued by EU governments.

Mozilla should have already closed their offices in Europe and done everything they can to remove themselves from EU jurisdiction.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Post by tuffff »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #79
piafraus wrote: post #63

So many people I know don't switch to FF because of missing tab grouping (and no, not a single addon gives the similar fast and nice experience). It's like number one feature and yet they waste time on stuff like this

Sideberry provides basically this feature. Its fast. I have over a 100 tabs open right now. I can read the name of every tab, and can group them however I want.

Sideberry is great, but I had to add a custom layout file to hide the default tabbar. In that state I guess it's never getting much traction.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Post by DaSHacka »

xuhu wrote: post #149
thayne wrote: post #145

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But desktop linux market share has never been in the double digits. Firefox once had 30%. And the low marketshare does prevent people from using it. Because there are sites that only work if you use chrome and maybe safari, because Firefox marketshare isn't big enough to worry about. So users switch to chrome so those sites work, which decreases Firefox market share in a vicious cycle.

The chicken-and-egg is a valid argument. But it applies to Linux as well (no users -> no apps being ported -> no users).

I don't understand the whataboutism.

Linux does suffer from the issue of low market penetration, but it's always had a relatively low market share (and its actually getting better as of late).

Whereas firefox has been on a steady decline for nearly a decade due to incompetent management with conflicting goals, something that's unlikely to change anytime soon.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Post by DaSHacka »

asadotzler wrote: post #147
breather wrote: post #107

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A) I don't think that's the type of feature to which they are referring to, B) I wouldn't call that "AI" by the current sense of the word when it can be narrowly described with "automated translation", and C) we've had high-quality translation for well over a decade now with or without Firefox.

Firefox's translation is based on LLMs not far off from the AI chatbots in the core tech. It's also nicely local to your machine.

I wasn't aware of that, thats actually pretty cool!

Gotta one of the first legitimate uses for AI outside of generating semi-passable scripts and email templates.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Post by anomaly_ »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #151
alemanek wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t know anyone who uses an iPhone to browse the web? Pretty sure that is where that Safari market share comes from.

> You don’t know anyone who uses an iPhone to browse the web? What you write as a joke is in my opinion not one: when I consider the department hallway in the office where I work at (not tech sector), you will, I think, only find 2 iPhone owners among about 25 people. One of these iPhone owners is the boss, and the other one is a programmer who vocal about not liking Android. So, depending on your surroundings, it is…

You’re in an emerging market I’d guess. iPhones make up 90%+ of the high value mobile user market.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Post by zemnl »

pdimitar wrote: post #129
jwrallie wrote: post #128

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Are any of the forks targeting the long term release of Firefox?

I have no clue, that's partially why I am asking.

I've recently found out about Floorp. I haven't tried it yet though so I can't give any feedback.

https://floorp.app/en/

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Post by pdimitar »

zemnl wrote: post #158
pdimitar wrote: post #129

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I have no clue, that's partially why I am asking.

I've recently found out about Floorp. I haven't tried it yet though so I can't give any feedback. https://floorp.app/en/

Thank you, I'll definitely give it a try.

I also recently found about the Arc browser for my colleagues and started using it for work because I don't get annoying issues like important websites not working due to too aggressive blocking.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Post by josephd79 »

doix wrote: post #126
pcwalton wrote: post #83

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It'd certainly be convenient if it were true, but the rate of Firefox's market share decline was completely unaffected by the switch to Web Extensions. There are Firefox forks out there that still keep the legacy add-on interface around, and they of course get comparatively very little use, because very few people actually care. And, of course, "being user-friendly to normies" has always been among Firefox's chief go…

It's what got me off FF for a long time. I stuck around on FF 52 ESR(I think?) for ages, the last version to work with pentadactyl. Then I finally switched to Chrome because it was much faster than FF and my extensions were dead anyway. I switched back a few years ago because FF became good enough again. I wouldn't be surprised if others did the same (and possibly didn't switch back). When I switched, everyone I prov…

This is what I did. Just switched back not to long ago.
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