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Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Predicting: swappable on "nightly" versions only and release versions are 100% "I'm sorry Dave I'm afraid I can't do that"

That's more a Chrome thing than a Firefox thing.

No, that's a Firefox thing: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-on-signing-in-firef...

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Is there any sort of corporate structure around one of the forks? There's no doubt in my mind that if it were organized somehow the community would be able to fund a few developers to work on Firefox alongside Mozilla. I don't want an aggressive split, but I'd like to be able to support the project. I've donated to Mozilla in the past but it apparently was not going to Firefox directly.

You shouldn’t donate. The donations don’t go to MoCo which is the for profit subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation under which FF is developed. All the donations go to MoFo, where they barely covered Mitchell’s salary and what was left went to her pet political projects. People are pretty unaware/misled about how Mozilla is structured/funded. The only way you can contribute to FF directly is to keep and use Google as the…

These truths are, in my opinion, a great tragedy. I'd absolutely pay for Firefox if I could, but I can't.

> The only way you can contribute to FF directly is to keep and use Google as the default search engine.

Which is a much greater cost than I'm willing to pay.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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post #16

Is there any sort of corporate structure around one of the forks? There's no doubt in my mind that if it were organized somehow the community would be able to fund a few developers to work on Firefox alongside Mozilla. I don't want an aggressive split, but I'd like to be able to support the project. I've donated to Mozilla in the past but it apparently was not going to Firefox directly.

I would be willing to make a monthly donation, but only if I knew that it was going to the development of Firefox and/or Thunderbird.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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post #42

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The monkey's paw outcome is they re-focus on the browser, but follow Opera and Edge in pivoting to Yet Another Chromium Reskin, massively cutting their development costs while technically remaining in the browser market. Hopefully it doesn't come to that but I'm not ruling it out.

This would be very sad. One browser engine would be really bad for the web

Two with Apple still in the game, but that's no consolation to Windows/Linux/Android users.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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post #53

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Maybe time to fork Firefox.

And then convince ~200 million people to use your browser so you can get the same bare bones level of funding via search deals Mozilla is having trouble sustaining on. Things do get in a progressively easier feedback loop after that though. I almost wonder if the Edge/Brave approach is the smarter approach. Build something on top of Chromium, trading full independence for the ability to focus on differentiation, and…

Well, what if you want to.. lets say, keep Manifest V2 compatibility in Chromium? Judging by the compile times, Chromium is one of the largest open source projects out there. Maintaining a backport is going to be a nontrivial effort because your company isn't Google and can't just throw developer hours at the problem.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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post #53

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Maybe time to fork Firefox.

And then convince ~200 million people to use your browser so you can get the same bare bones level of funding via search deals Mozilla is having trouble sustaining on. Things do get in a progressively easier feedback loop after that though. I almost wonder if the Edge/Brave approach is the smarter approach. Build something on top of Chromium, trading full independence for the ability to focus on differentiation, and…

Firefox's future was written when they abandoned the rich add-on ecosystem and tried to compete with Chrome by being user-friendly to normies.

In the end, they lost both the power users and the regular crowd (which will use Chrome or Edge, because those come bundled or are advertised on front page of Google).

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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post #53

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Maybe time to fork Firefox.

And then convince ~200 million people to use your browser so you can get the same bare bones level of funding via search deals Mozilla is having trouble sustaining on. Things do get in a progressively easier feedback loop after that though. I almost wonder if the Edge/Brave approach is the smarter approach. Build something on top of Chromium, trading full independence for the ability to focus on differentiation, and…

But building something on top of Chromium defeats the entire appeal of a replacement for Firefox, which is to continue the fight against the Blink/V8 monoculture.

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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post #60

I will ditch Firefox the moment they introduce some shitty chatbot no one asked for. I'm already absolutely fed up with the constant problems, missing features and pages failing to work properly.

Interested what problems you’re experiencing? I use Firefox daily on Mac and Windows and can’t think of a single problem or failing page?

Re: Mozilla downsizes as it refocuses on Firefox and AI

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Could someone explain how does rising interest rates and the current economic environment result in a _nonprofit_ organization needing to layoff staff?

High interest rates means investments are more expensive. Investments aka. expenditures supporting nonprofits by fast growth profit seeking companies (most sensitive and a big factor in the tech eco-system) naturally decline.
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