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Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by khzw8yyy »

lispm wrote: post #278
khzw8yyy wrote: post #277

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Come on, you don't actually believe in "and beyond", do you? That's just a scare tactic to feed more of your tax money to the military industrial complex.

Putin? Don't be naive. He is the "protector" of every Russian (or what he thinks is a Russian). Like Crimea, he will start with regions where people will russian background live. If he has the opportunity, than he invades neighbour countries. Why do you think Finland is a NATO member now and Sweden is seeking NATO membership? It was clear to them that they would be easy and early targets for conflicts, if they were n…

What in the world would Putin do with a larger Russia?

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by lispm »

khzw8yyy wrote: post #281
lispm wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putin? Don't be naive. He is the "protector" of every Russian (or what he thinks is a Russian). Like Crimea, he will start with regions where people will russian background live. If he has the opportunity, than he invades neighbour countries. Why do you think Finland is a NATO member now and Sweden is seeking NATO membership? It was clear to them that they would be easy and early targets for conflicts, if they were n…

What in the world would Putin do with a larger Russia?

Restore the former "glory", influence zones and importance of the Soviet Union / now called Russia. Defend his dictatorship against western influence of democracy and self determination of nations. Putin sits on a huge pile of natural resources and he wants to use that as a power instrument. It's the fate of many resource rich countries, that it leads to governments (and helping classes) enriching themselves.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by jnsaff2 »

khzw8yyy wrote: post #268
jnsaff2 wrote: post #250

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So Finland and Sweden have governments "installed by USA in a coup"?

That's just being obtuse to be obtuse. You and I both understand the difference between the choices that Finland or Sweden made and the "choices" that Ukraine or Iraq made.

So Ukraine can’t have choices without russians getting all murderous about it but it’s fine when Finns and Swedes do?

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by khzw8yyy »

lispm wrote: post #282
khzw8yyy wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What in the world would Putin do with a larger Russia?

Restore the former "glory", influence zones and importance of the Soviet Union / now called Russia. Defend his dictatorship against western influence of democracy and self determination of nations. Putin sits on a huge pile of natural resources and he wants to use that as a power instrument. It's the fate of many resource rich countries, that it leads to governments (and helping classes) enriching themselves.

But I don't think Putin is self-destructive / suicidal. There is no hope for controlling a hypothetical conquered European country for any length of time given Russia's present capabilities.

Realistically the only thing Russia can hope for is the preservation of the status quo - keeping Crimea and the land bridge to it.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by khzw8yyy »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #283
khzw8yyy wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just being obtuse to be obtuse. You and I both understand the difference between the choices that Finland or Sweden made and the "choices" that Ukraine or Iraq made.

So Ukraine can’t have choices without russians getting all murderous about it but it’s fine when Finns and Swedes do?

If a political party came to power in Finland or Sweden outside the normal electoral process and decided to align the country with Russia, would the EU and the USA call them usurpers and terrorists and start military intervention to liberate Finland or Sweden? Or would they not?

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by lispm »

khzw8yyy wrote: post #284
lispm wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Restore the former "glory", influence zones and importance of the Soviet Union / now called Russia. Defend his dictatorship against western influence of democracy and self determination of nations. Putin sits on a huge pile of natural resources and he wants to use that as a power instrument. It's the fate of many resource rich countries, that it leads to governments (and helping classes) enriching themselves.

But I don't think Putin is self-destructive / suicidal. There is no hope for controlling a hypothetical conquered European country for any length of time given Russia's present capabilities. Realistically the only thing Russia can hope for is the preservation of the status quo - keeping Crimea and the land bridge to it.

> Realistically the only thing Russia can hope for is the preservation of the status quo - keeping Crimea and the land bridge to it.

That's not enough for him, it would be a huge defeat. He would not survive that, I would think.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by belter »

itishappy wrote: post #201
belter wrote: post #132

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You would not find worth of self-reflection, if an indicted war criminal would be publicly praising you? "Elon Musk spoke with Vladimir Putin directly, Pentagon official says" - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/elon-musk-pu... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_the... "CC judges issue arrest warrants against Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova" - https:…

Not really. Praise is free and regardless how you feel about him, Elon is one of the world's most successful businessmen. He's done things worthy of praise. (He's also done things worthy of scorn.) Are the reasons for praise problematic? What are they, and why? Here's a few other quotes by Vlad that contain praise: > It's a historical phenomenon that in 250 years, a nation could move from a colony into the most prosp…

Evil doesn't hand out gold stars for attendance. When a war criminal beams a spotlight of praise onto someone, it's not because they're dazzled by their moral compass; it's more like they see a bit of themselves, or rather, something exploitable that aligns with their nefarious schemes. It’s the dark mirror of endorsement—'I like how you think; it reminds me of, well, me.'

It's not about falling for a logical fallacy; it's about recognizing the dance floor where these accolades are given. Evil's endorsements don't come from a place of benign admiration but a strategic calculation of how such qualities or actions serve their agenda. To ignore the context and implications of such praise is not only ingenuous but dangerously naïve.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by jnsaff2 »

khzw8yyy wrote: post #285
jnsaff2 wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Ukraine can’t have choices without russians getting all murderous about it but it’s fine when Finns and Swedes do?

If a political party came to power in Finland or Sweden outside the normal electoral process and decided to align the country with Russia, would the EU and the USA call them usurpers and terrorists and start military intervention to liberate Finland or Sweden? Or would they not?

The only one who started the military intervention here is russia.

russia attacked Ukraine.

Ukrainians had enough of kremlin puppets.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by khzw8yyy »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #288
khzw8yyy wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a political party came to power in Finland or Sweden outside the normal electoral process and decided to align the country with Russia, would the EU and the USA call them usurpers and terrorists and start military intervention to liberate Finland or Sweden? Or would they not?

The only one who started the military intervention here is russia. russia attacked Ukraine. Ukrainians had enough of kremlin puppets.

This is relevant how?

I asked about a hypothetical scenario: would the USA violently suppress a Pro-Russia Party of Finland. That seems to have caused a crash and you fell back to your default rhetoric.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by jnsaff2 »

khzw8yyy wrote: post #289
jnsaff2 wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only one who started the military intervention here is russia. russia attacked Ukraine. Ukrainians had enough of kremlin puppets.

This is relevant how? I asked about a hypothetical scenario: would the USA violently suppress a Pro-Russia Party of Finland. That seems to have caused a crash and you fell back to your default rhetoric.

No. Vatnik said:

> Just to clarify: the "we" who would like to join is a government that was installed by the USA in a coup. What kind of "attacking and oppressing" happened before the coup?

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