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Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by op00to »

caldarons wrote: post #21
throwaway71271 wrote: post #7

Schools+laptops is absolutely crazy. The amount of incompetence is beyond reason. My daughter(12)'s keyboard got broken, now she is afraid she wont be able to take her exam with an external keyboard because there is a spyware extension they use called 'safe exam browser' that might block her computer when she plugs the keyboard. Most of the kids are just using it to snapchat during class. I will honestly prefer to ju…

As someone who went to a high school (Italy) where in the first two years each student had a laptop they could use in the classroom, I agree that having a computer per student is a bad idea. In my experience, what ended up happening was that pupils who already knew their way around a computer didn't really get any extra benefit from using cmputers in the classroom and those who didn't like using computers hated it ev…

It’s amazing that laptops were the thing that introduced distraction to pupils in school. Not paper football. Not whispering. Not passing notes. Not staring out the window. Not sleeping. Not spending too much time in the bathroom.

Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by 7thaccount »

throwaway71271 wrote: post #7

Schools+laptops is absolutely crazy. The amount of incompetence is beyond reason. My daughter(12)'s keyboard got broken, now she is afraid she wont be able to take her exam with an external keyboard because there is a spyware extension they use called 'safe exam browser' that might block her computer when she plugs the keyboard. Most of the kids are just using it to snapchat during class. I will honestly prefer to ju…

My kid had tablets in kindergarten that did the majority of the lessons. It's pretty horrifying in a lot of ways (way too much screen time), but has some advantages. If your kid learns well that way, they can move ahead at their own pace.

They do a lot of phonics in my kids class. She finished all her phonics lessons early in the year, so now she just uses that time to read a few chapter book chapters instead that I send with her to school, which is much more relevant than just doing extra phonics anyway (that's another story though).

Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by Stubbs »

This headline is misleading. According to the article schools CAN still use Chromebooks but they cannot enable the tracking functionality on them.

"From 1 August 2024 onwards, Danish schools will no longer be allowed to enable Chromebooks and Google platforms to collect students' personal data for processing."

Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by op00to »

draugadrotten wrote: post #18
lukan wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I will honestly prefer to just ban all tech from schools." But can one really hope, to prepare students for life then?

Think of tech like chemistry class. We don't let kids carry around chemicals all day to use however they want. Instead, we have them do experiments in a special lab under close watch. Computers should be treated the same way. They shouldn't be something students can use anytime, anywhere without guidance. Just like we handle dangerous chemicals with care, we should also be careful with technology. It's powerful, and…

We absolutely let kids carry around chemicals all day to use however they want. Children carry water, which is a chemical. Children carry foods which contain chemicals. Children may carry a rescue inhaler, which contains chemicals. Hand sanitizer. Art supplies. Personal care products. Makeup.

Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by Alifatisk »

ho_schi wrote: post #37
throwaway71271 wrote: post #7

Schools+laptops is absolutely crazy. The amount of incompetence is beyond reason. My daughter(12)'s keyboard got broken, now she is afraid she wont be able to take her exam with an external keyboard because there is a spyware extension they use called 'safe exam browser' that might block her computer when she plugs the keyboard. Most of the kids are just using it to snapchat during class. I will honestly prefer to ju…

As far as I know Sweden is rolling back[1]large parts of the digitalization at schools. Not just because of cloud usage, maintenance and incompetence. The digital devices harm learning. Sweden will spend 60 million for reintroducing actual books, focus on actual reading and writing (important for learning and motoric ability). I’m not surprised. While I’m sceptic about many positions of Manfred Spitzer [2] (Universit…

> Sweden is rolling back[1]large parts of the digitalization at schools

I hope this becomes a trend! I’ve always hated the idea of being dependent on electronic devices during school.

Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by 7thaccount »

happytiger wrote: post #42
throwaway71271 wrote: post #7

Schools+laptops is absolutely crazy. The amount of incompetence is beyond reason. My daughter(12)'s keyboard got broken, now she is afraid she wont be able to take her exam with an external keyboard because there is a spyware extension they use called 'safe exam browser' that might block her computer when she plugs the keyboard. Most of the kids are just using it to snapchat during class. I will honestly prefer to ju…

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Nobody is arguing that they shouldn't teach tech at all. When they're talking about bans, they're likely referring to for general classes (math, English, science...etc) and would of course be happy with a computer class that teaches typing, Excel, PPT, and some actual computer/STEM stuff like basic programming. It may sound old fashioned, but books work just as well for most classes with a lot less distraction. Assuming you let your kid watch a little TV or play video games...they're no longer getting 1-2 hours of screen time per day like we did, but rather more like 5-6 hours per day which is likely not healthy.

(Story Time) I had a crazy woman teach a computer elective in highschool, but she made sure everyone left the class typing efficiently without looking and we all knew how to use Excel and PPT. It really helped in college engineering and of course in the work force knowing a little Excel. The ppt stuff sounds ludicrous, but I use it a LOT at work as research and analysis is often summarized and presented to less technical stakeholders in that format. TBH, she basically made sure we were experts in the blue collar aspects of computing that office workers everywhere use. She also taught some history of computing and made sure we all knew common computer terminology like what OS, GUI, DOS, RAM, ROM...etc all meant. In hindsight it was a pretty useful class. The weirdest thing in the class...the teacher had a question on the final that asked which book of the Bible was most like the history of computing. All of us 8th-10th graders were absolutely dumbfounded where this bizzare question came from. Apparently the answer was Exodus, but she couldn't explain to us why and indicated it should be obvious if we had seen Pirates of Silicon Valley.

Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by op00to »

blackhaz wrote: post #13
lukan wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I will honestly prefer to just ban all tech from schools." But can one really hope, to prepare students for life then?

We didn't have any tech in school and yet we've turned out just fine, now sitting here and typing this on HN. I'm all for banning tech from schools. Allowing Google to enter the school system has been a crime against our children.

I did have tech in school in the 80s. I also did fine. Maybe it’s the school district and the parents and the community not a single tool.

Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by squarefoot »

op00to wrote: post #51
caldarons wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who went to a high school (Italy) where in the first two years each student had a laptop they could use in the classroom, I agree that having a computer per student is a bad idea. In my experience, what ended up happening was that pupils who already knew their way around a computer didn't really get any extra benefit from using cmputers in the classroom and those who didn't like using computers hated it ev…

It’s amazing that laptops were the thing that introduced distraction to pupils in school. Not paper football. Not whispering. Not passing notes. Not staring out the window. Not sleeping. Not spending too much time in the bathroom.

I recall of epic battles with pens turned into blowguns. Making lessons interesting is a lost art, and uninterested pupils will always find a way to distract themselves with what they have at hand, laptops or not.

Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by op00to »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #35
throwaway71271 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are very much responsible for being on the wrong side in the war against general purpose computing. The "user" not being able to change or understand any single program they use, being driven further and further away form the technology, in an almost comical way, that we have arrived to the point of "I dont know if i can plug a keyboard in my laptop". She tried to save a file, which of course did not work due to s…

> I just dont understand how did we end up here The push to get children familiar with appliance computers as opposed to general purpose computers goes at least as far back as the 1980s with Apple. So how we ended up here is basically nearly half a century of lobbying from computer manufacturers to promote proprietary computation appliances that children have limited or no control over. > we studied the law and it tu…

Without those Apple 2 donations, I would not be providing for my family in the way I am now.
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