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Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by awildfivreld »

hasoleju wrote: post #101

This is only a minor invest compared to the financial support they provide for the students already. I tried to google the exact amount of funding they get. The best I came up with is a 8890 USD loan per year where 40% of it will be converted to a grant once they receive their degree.

This article is talking about elementary, middle and high schools in Oslo municipality. The grant you're talking about is for higher education nation wide.

Even still, they use quite a lot of money too.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by philip1209 »

panxyh wrote: post #115
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. We don't have a lot of people up here, so any individual person who gets hired to a job has to be ready to wear many hats. To my understanding this is even more true in Norway than in my adoptive home of Finland (sounds exciting, my wife and I are strongly considering moving). Technologies like GPT-4, much like Google search before it, vastly increase the number of things we can do acceptably well without ne…

Time is saved, brain cells don’t need to ;)

It's intellectually dishonest to assume that AI decreases intelligence.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by dimask »

FredPret wrote: post #35

Italy: ban ChatGPT, then unban it again Norway: buy 110k licenses

I do not see the contradiction. It is not so different rationale, considering that the point of purchasing a gpt3.5 license is privacy-related, as was the ban. But Italy is much bigger and less inclined towards social-spending than norway also, so yeah you would not expect it to buy such a license, especially back then.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by Mistletoe »

philip1209 wrote: post #122
panxyh wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time is saved, brain cells don’t need to ;)

It's intellectually dishonest to assume that AI decreases intelligence.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-023-01787-8

https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/ai-threatens-to-lower-...

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by chaosprint »

My opinion: irresponsible for children; it's just that some civil servants want to show that they understand the trend. They love to do this kind of movement in order to "show off". But the fact is that they only have a partial understanding of this technology and follow what others say.

There is no information that they compared open source models and considered whether to build their own data servers.

You should at least do some experiments to show that gpt can improve quality in education, right? Although I know that data manipulation is common in scientific research nowadays by picking the data that better serve the wanted assumption, but this time they even skip this step.

Disclaimer: I live in Oslo; I'm an educator; I usually see similar poor decisions in education due to ignorance.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by dimask »

imutemyteam92 wrote: post #93
gbil wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many universities in Greece currently are closed due to student demonstrations and in many of those the teachers denied holding virtual exams due to lack of standardized exam software and ChatGPT. One could argue that instead of generic questions they could run the exams on questions/topics only taught in class which would be “a bit” difficult for ChatGPT to answer but I guess their excuses have less to do with ChatG…

Personally feel teachers will be the first to lose their jobs. 100% You just need one teacher who acts as a supervisor. And another group that sets the curriculum. No need to actually teach for the most part.

Maybe in some colleges somewhere in the US they are gonna try that.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by cageface »

calibas wrote: post #68
krupan wrote: post #44

Am I the only one left with a deep distrust of ChatGPT? It still lies ("hallucinates"), doesn't it? And no, I will not accept a rebuttal that says, "well everyone lies" because no, not everyone is as confidently wrong as ChatGPT. It's doesn't qualify statements with, "I was told..." or, "some believe..." or, "I'm not sure but it might be..." It just flat out lies. People are enthralled with this tech when they should…

It's often confidently wrong, but it's still a useful tool. I spent 5 minutes searching Google for what an email error code meant, it kept showing me threads on Microsoft's forums that never gave me a clear answer. Took about 10 seconds to get the correct answer on ChatGPT. If you treat it like it's a bumbling assistant that has remarkably encyclopedic knowledge, it's a very helpful tool. If you treat it like it's tr…

Took about 10 seconds to get the correct answer on ChatGPT.

But, generally speaking, if you don’t have some way of verifying what the correct answer is, how can you be sure that the answers you get in 10 seconds from the LLM are actually correct?

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by aaron695 »

behnamoh wrote: post #26

Why not use a combination of open source and OpenAI models? GPT-3.5 is already beaten by Mixtral and Mistral-Medium. The first one you can host for free and the second has a darn cheap API while getting really close to GPT-4 performance.

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Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by Lamad1234 »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #95
philip1209 wrote: post #6

This seems to align with the mindset of pragmatism in the Nordics. I can imagine somebody there saying "This is now a standard business technology. So, we will teach it to our students to prepare them."

Correct. We don't have a lot of people up here, so any individual person who gets hired to a job has to be ready to wear many hats. To my understanding this is even more true in Norway than in my adoptive home of Finland (sounds exciting, my wife and I are strongly considering moving). Technologies like GPT-4, much like Google search before it, vastly increase the number of things we can do acceptably well without ne…

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Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by klodolph »

chaosprint wrote: post #125

My opinion: irresponsible for children; it's just that some civil servants want to show that they understand the trend. They love to do this kind of movement in order to "show off". But the fact is that they only have a partial understanding of this technology and follow what others say. There is no information that they compared open source models and considered whether to build their own data servers. You should at…

Reminds me of when school districts would buy iPads or laptops or computer labs without any idea of how those machines would support their mission.
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