Is there a travel site that allows you to filter out 737Maxes?
Install the "Legrooms for Google Flights" Chrome extension. It tells you both the exact aircraft type and the legroom in Google Flights searches.
More misdrilled holes on 737 MAX in latest setback
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#72This transparency is good, don't punish them for it. There's no guarantee whatsoever that other plane manufacturers don't run into similar problems and don't announce them.
There some very large punishments for plane manufacturers that discover that kind of problems and don't announce them.
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#73Break. Them. Up. This is a concern of national security at the highest level.
Boeing needs the Standard Oil treatment, which was a net positive for everyone involved.
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You should read up on where Airbus sites are, and especially why.
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#75I do get the impression that the current Boeing CEO is attempting to turn the culture around, to a more "admit the problem and fix it" kind of attitude. The problem is that, if you are doing this after many years of "deny the problem and ship it", the number of apparent problems is actually going to go up for a while. I wonder if Boeing's customers and shareholders will have enough patience for him to complete the tr…
I said this in a previous thread, a QA/QC/SOP firm either has a culture where nobody would dare violate SOP or it doesn’t. It’s not about “admitting” a problem, they already have the SOPs and inspection protocols that reveal defects and proscribe ways to identify, document and address any defect. But as the QA guys where I work say, they are a cost center. There are two real questions here, can Boeing strictly follow…
> they already have the SOPs and inspection protocols that reveal defects and proscribe ways to identify, document and address any defect
it's great to have those protocols, but when employees are retaliated against for bringing issues with no corrective changes made, what's the point in having the protocols?
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#76Fun fact, an assortment of misdrilled holes is called a 'clusterfuck'.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah yes the fantasy that an IC can just magic this all away. This would likely result in a CEO with no pull and a CFO that had all the hard power to call the shots. The reality seems to be, for some reason, building profitable and safe planes in America is becoming increasingly difficult. A company most be able to do both: build a quality and safe product and make a margin. It can’t exist without revenue. I’m guessing…
Building airplanes it a bit like running a restaurant... it's a business no sane person would willingly go in to.
> Building airplanes it a bit like running a restaurant... it's a business no sane person would willingly go in to.
Other people with a similar perspective about rockets tried to convince Musk that as well. Thankfully he didn’t listen. You’re never going to realize gains that surpass the return on the S&P if you don’t take risks in business.
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#78We need federal oversight for Boeing not just self reporting. Good on Spirit but Boeing should have caught this.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think this a technical problem - it’s a matter of changing culture.
It's frequently framed as an issue with Boing now having an accounting-driven culture instead of an engineering-driven culture. In that framing a CEO with engineering background is a logical choice to effect that culture change.
It was arguably under Muilenberg, an engineer, that many of the current issues with Boeing's culture were either created or allowed to flourish. I think it is "frequently framed" as an engineers-vs-accountants thing by engineers or others who like to think that STEM people can do no wrong.
Re: More misdrilled holes on 737 MAX in latest setback
#80I do get the impression that the current Boeing CEO is attempting to turn the culture around, to a more "admit the problem and fix it" kind of attitude. The problem is that, if you are doing this after many years of "deny the problem and ship it", the number of apparent problems is actually going to go up for a while. I wonder if Boeing's customers and shareholders will have enough patience for him to complete the tr…
Boeing needs to dump the CEO and install someone from an engineering lineage if they want to build their reputation back. An engineering company run by a longtime manager with a background in accounting is in large part how Boeing got here. Fire the guy and get someone with a technical background in there.
The "engineer CEO" you speak of is the one who was at the helm when all the mess kicked off.