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Re: More misdrilled holes on 737 MAX in latest setback

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Post by tsunamifury »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #6
rossdavidh wrote: post #3

I do get the impression that the current Boeing CEO is attempting to turn the culture around, to a more "admit the problem and fix it" kind of attitude. The problem is that, if you are doing this after many years of "deny the problem and ship it", the number of apparent problems is actually going to go up for a while. I wonder if Boeing's customers and shareholders will have enough patience for him to complete the tr…

Boeing needs to dump the CEO and install someone from an engineering lineage if they want to build their reputation back. An engineering company run by a longtime manager with a background in accounting is in large part how Boeing got here. Fire the guy and get someone with a technical background in there.

Ah yes the fantasy that an IC can just magic this all away.

This would likely result in a CEO with no pull and a CFO that had all the hard power to call the shots.

The reality seems to be, for some reason, building profitable and safe planes in America is becoming increasingly difficult.

A company most be able to do both: build a quality and safe product and make a margin. It can’t exist without revenue.

I’m guessing the real problem is somewhere between low quality or overworked and poorly trained line workers, complex systems, and a revenue strategy that obscures what the company is selling.

It takes more than a random ic manager to fix that — but I agree they should come from that past maybe.

Re: More misdrilled holes on 737 MAX in latest setback

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Post by CoastalCoder »

tboyd47 wrote: post #9
electric_mayhem wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember this simple rhyme for for your safety whenever you’re booking a commercial flight: “If it’s Boeing, I’m not going.”

Airlines can switch your plane after you've booked already.

Interesting opportunity for travel insurance: a policy that refunds your ticket if the plane turns out to be a 737 (even at the last minute).

I realize it's not a viable business idea, but I'd feel such Schadenfreude if Boeing had to deal with the optics of that.

Re: More misdrilled holes on 737 MAX in latest setback

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Post by BoxFour »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #6
rossdavidh wrote: post #3

I do get the impression that the current Boeing CEO is attempting to turn the culture around, to a more "admit the problem and fix it" kind of attitude. The problem is that, if you are doing this after many years of "deny the problem and ship it", the number of apparent problems is actually going to go up for a while. I wonder if Boeing's customers and shareholders will have enough patience for him to complete the tr…

Boeing needs to dump the CEO and install someone from an engineering lineage if they want to build their reputation back. An engineering company run by a longtime manager with a background in accounting is in large part how Boeing got here. Fire the guy and get someone with a technical background in there.

Like this guy? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Muilenburg

Re: More misdrilled holes on 737 MAX in latest setback

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Post by balderdash »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #6
rossdavidh wrote: post #3

I do get the impression that the current Boeing CEO is attempting to turn the culture around, to a more "admit the problem and fix it" kind of attitude. The problem is that, if you are doing this after many years of "deny the problem and ship it", the number of apparent problems is actually going to go up for a while. I wonder if Boeing's customers and shareholders will have enough patience for him to complete the tr…

Boeing needs to dump the CEO and install someone from an engineering lineage if they want to build their reputation back. An engineering company run by a longtime manager with a background in accounting is in large part how Boeing got here. Fire the guy and get someone with a technical background in there.

I don’t think this a technical problem - it’s a matter of changing culture.

Re: More misdrilled holes on 737 MAX in latest setback

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Post by dwallin »

tboyd47 wrote: post #9
electric_mayhem wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember this simple rhyme for for your safety whenever you’re booking a commercial flight: “If it’s Boeing, I’m not going.”

Airlines can switch your plane after you've booked already.

JetBlue doesn't fly any Boeing planes so as long as it isn't a codeshare flight you should be great.

Re: More misdrilled holes on 737 MAX in latest setback

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Post by stouset »

user3939382 wrote: post #4

This is to the point where, although it's irrational but I know statistically I'd be fine, I'd be scared to fly on any new generation Boeing.

It is irrational.

Since November 2001, there has been one death aboard a major airline operating in the U.S.[1]. That was a Southwest flight where an entire engine self-destructed. It was an issue with the CFM engine, Not with anything Boeing did.

You might choose to include one more. An Asiana flight tumbled end over end after arriving short at SFO. Everyone survived the crash, but a passenger was killed when an emergency responder hit them with a vehicle, unable to see them due to firefighting foam.[2] The accident was again not caused by anything related to Boeing.

You are safer aboard any aircraft operated by a major American airline than you are on any other form of transportation. Including walking.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_accidents_and_...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214

Re: More misdrilled holes on 737 MAX in latest setback

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Post by sebzim4500 »

tsunamifury wrote: post #11
Workaccount2 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing needs to dump the CEO and install someone from an engineering lineage if they want to build their reputation back. An engineering company run by a longtime manager with a background in accounting is in large part how Boeing got here. Fire the guy and get someone with a technical background in there.

Ah yes the fantasy that an IC can just magic this all away. This would likely result in a CEO with no pull and a CFO that had all the hard power to call the shots. The reality seems to be, for some reason, building profitable and safe planes in America is becoming increasingly difficult. A company most be able to do both: build a quality and safe product and make a margin. It can’t exist without revenue. I’m guessing…

>The reality seems to be, for some reason, building profitable and safe planes in America is becoming increasingly difficult.

Is there another data point or are you just basing this off Boeing's issues?

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