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The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by Gare »

metaxy2 wrote: post #33
Humphrey wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It only occurred to me recently that when people compare something to the length of a football field, they are probably talking about American Football. I had always just assumed (without thinking about it) it was the length of an Australian Rules Football field, which can be almost 70% longer! It must be about time we all just used metres and grams?

Practically no one would ever be talking about Australian Rules Football (outside of the handful of countries where that's popular, of course), although presumably outside of the US they'd often be talking about soccer.

Fortunately, difference in length of an american football field and FIFA recommended soccer field is only 5 meters, and basically can be rounded to 100 m.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by Gare »

syncsynchalt wrote: post #13
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #10

I think now is actually a special time. All FAANG including Apple have faltered. Now is the time to make the next big thing. A linux based AR glasses which actually works.

2024, the year of Linux on the ski goggle.

Sadly, Alpine is already taken

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by defrost »

metaxy2 wrote: post #33
Humphrey wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It only occurred to me recently that when people compare something to the length of a football field, they are probably talking about American Football. I had always just assumed (without thinking about it) it was the length of an Australian Rules Football field, which can be almost 70% longer! It must be about time we all just used metres and grams?

Practically no one would ever be talking about Australian Rules Football (outside of the handful of countries where that's popular, of course), although presumably outside of the US they'd often be talking about soccer.

It's big (well, was big) in the "Americans react to weird stuff elsewhere" genre.

Lot's of US wannabe sports youtube influencers react to Gaelic football, soccer, and Aussie Rules.

Close to practically no one, but they do fall outside of the regular AFL fan domain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJo199LD0Fk

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by drewbug01 »

I have such mixed feelings about it. I went back to the Apple Store today to exchange the “light seal” for something that fit better - and an older couple who were there for a demo asked me “what do you use it for?”

I didn’t have a great answer. The technology is really compelling; but it is a solo experience. I tried to show my friends last night what I saw via AirPlay… and it’s just not as interesting that way.

And despite that - last night I played a little LEGO game, and I was utterly transfixed. It plucked at my heartstrings in a way that shocked me. Today, I used the built-in “Mindfulness” app, while sitting atop a lifelike recreation of Haleakala… and it was incredibly peaceful.

I just don’t know what to make of it yet, but it’s fascinating. I’m making a conscious effort so far not to use it much around others, and I hope that will be a good balance.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by thfuran »

dr_kiszonka wrote: post #49
garrickvanburen wrote: post #31

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> the less connected we've become as people. This ^. I'm hesitant to embrace a tech that so clearly and obviously keeps people separated. At least with a phone, you can position it so 2 people can view it simultaneously.

True. At the same time, VR could afford richer interactions with those who live far away from you. For example, about 30% of older adults in the US live alone. Of course, it would be better to visit or live with them, but that is often impossible.

It's often inconvenient and rarely impossible.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by Gigachad »

jojobas wrote: post #32
veunes wrote: post #16

I've seen a couple of videos on TikTok of people using Apple Vision, and it looks so strange from an outsider's perspective. I understand that, in addition to extra information from apps, a person also sees everything around them, but from the outside, it looks like they're in their own world. It's just weird not to see a person's eyes.

You lose a fair bit of peripheral vision. People definitely will die.

I wonder if it could result in cities making public spaces safer and more accessible for people with vision impairment.

I know AirPods/noise cancelation made me very aware of accessibility features for hearing impaired people. Suddenly I’m looking for the lights on the train door button because I can’t hear the beep.

Most of this danger is entirely human constructed. If you put someone out on a farm or otherwise undeveloped land, they are very unlikely to kill themselves by mis stepping.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by xeromal »

AlexandrB wrote: post #46
xeromal wrote: post #22

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There's an interesting set of conflicting forces where people are tempted through selfish interests to be lazy interacting with humans and prefer to stay home connected while also craving intimate human interaction. I think this laziness is encouraging us to stay home while also causing all us to feel more isolated and lonely. Like you said, "social junk food", but it's also video games, TV, etc. We've invented more…

> There's an interesting set of conflicting forces where people are tempted through selfish interests to be lazy interacting with humans and prefer to stay home connected while also craving intimate human interaction. Counterpoint: when genuine human interaction does start to happen online, there's often an incentive to monetize it. It's the monetization that turns it into junk food. Spam, clickbait, infinite algorit…

I don't believe virtual interaction covers the same basic needs that physical interaction does but this is completely my own opinion. I'm sure everyone is different. That said, the nice thing about physical interaction is that you can always find free spaces to join. Makes me wonder if the state should create an online equivalent of a public park.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by jsz0 »

There's something very gross to me about this product. It digital gluttony. It's like buttering your pop tarts. It's like adding extra sugar to your Cola. It's like wearing a diaper so you don't have to get up off the couch. At some point isn't enough enough? How connected do you have to really be? How much more engagement do you need to feel something? How many screens do you need to fill the hole in your heart? I wonder what's going on in the mind of a person who craves this isolating hyper stimulated cocoon strapped to their head.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

I will go ahead and claim that culturally, we are increasingly aggressive about escaping reality, and in part, we don't realize we're doing it because our minds are darkened and distorted by decades of consumerism and the indulgence of disordered appetites. Instead of doing what rational people do, which is to conform our minds and our desires to the truth, we try to conform "truth" to our minds and desires, twisting "truth" to suit them. We are living the Bacchae, and if and when we manage to wake from our mad frenzy, we will see, like Agave, horror and suffering and death.
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