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The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by garrickvanburen »

lolinder wrote: post #11

> For a time, at what may have been the height of the internet’s thrall, it became popular to pretend that the digital and material worlds were continuous—that the “real” one had no special meaning, because cyberspace had become a part of it. That turned out to be wrong. We live in cars and on couches and, separately, we also live on phones. Apple believes it can resolve this conflict—that the digital and material wo…

> the less connected we've become as people.

This ^.

I'm hesitant to embrace a tech that so clearly and obviously keeps people separated. At least with a phone, you can position it so 2 people can view it simultaneously.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by jojobas »

veunes wrote: post #16

I've seen a couple of videos on TikTok of people using Apple Vision, and it looks so strange from an outsider's perspective. I understand that, in addition to extra information from apps, a person also sees everything around them, but from the outside, it looks like they're in their own world. It's just weird not to see a person's eyes.

You lose a fair bit of peripheral vision. People definitely will die.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by metaxy2 »

Humphrey wrote: post #28
throwup238 wrote: post #19

> The headset, which weighs as much as a cauliflower Christ, I just learned the length of a football field (and that there exists a different futbol pitch). Now I have to learn how much random vegetables weigh? Can we at least stick to Brassica oleracea in the future? Whats the brussel sprout equivalent? > A medium-sized head of cauliflower is about 6 inches across, weighs about 2 pounds and makes 4 to 6 servings aft…

It only occurred to me recently that when people compare something to the length of a football field, they are probably talking about American Football. I had always just assumed (without thinking about it) it was the length of an Australian Rules Football field, which can be almost 70% longer! It must be about time we all just used metres and grams?

Practically no one would ever be talking about Australian Rules Football (outside of the handful of countries where that's popular, of course), although presumably outside of the US they'd often be talking about soccer.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by signatoremo »

throwup238 wrote: post #19

> The headset, which weighs as much as a cauliflower Christ, I just learned the length of a football field (and that there exists a different futbol pitch). Now I have to learn how much random vegetables weigh? Can we at least stick to Brassica oleracea in the future? Whats the brussel sprout equivalent? > A medium-sized head of cauliflower is about 6 inches across, weighs about 2 pounds and makes 4 to 6 servings aft…

Huh? Do you buy groceries or cook? Now I know exactly how it’d feel in my hands. 600 grams sounds very abstract. The Atlantic isn’t a review site.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by willsmith72 »

mattlondon wrote: post #15
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #10

I think now is actually a special time. All FAANG including Apple have faltered. Now is the time to make the next big thing. A linux based AR glasses which actually works.

It is a struggle to even get Bluetooth working on Linux, forget about AR headsets! I think apple missed the boat here anyway - the next big thing is not AR or VR despite Apple and Facebook betting the farm on it ... They both missed this AI thing and got distracted by VR.

you don't "miss" AI. you can be slower to adapt, but on a large enough timescale, that quickly becomes irrelevant. even chrome was only released in 2008

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by avidphantasm »

josephg wrote: post #18
lolinder wrote: post #11

> For a time, at what may have been the height of the internet’s thrall, it became popular to pretend that the digital and material worlds were continuous—that the “real” one had no special meaning, because cyberspace had become a part of it. That turned out to be wrong. We live in cars and on couches and, separately, we also live on phones. Apple believes it can resolve this conflict—that the digital and material wo…

I don't think thats it. Its not the part where we interact with digital devices that is the problem, exactly. Maybe its the part where we stop interacting with other people as people as well. I watched a wild video[1] the other day which really gave me a new perspective on the Apple Vision Pro. Casey Neistat walks around NYC with an apple vision strapped on his head and chats with people in the street. I was arrested…

I would never walk down the street wearing a headset as I would EXPECT to be punched in the face.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by basch »

josephg wrote: post #18
lolinder wrote: post #11

> For a time, at what may have been the height of the internet’s thrall, it became popular to pretend that the digital and material worlds were continuous—that the “real” one had no special meaning, because cyberspace had become a part of it. That turned out to be wrong. We live in cars and on couches and, separately, we also live on phones. Apple believes it can resolve this conflict—that the digital and material wo…

I don't think thats it. Its not the part where we interact with digital devices that is the problem, exactly. Maybe its the part where we stop interacting with other people as people as well. I watched a wild video[1] the other day which really gave me a new perspective on the Apple Vision Pro. Casey Neistat walks around NYC with an apple vision strapped on his head and chats with people in the street. I was arrested…

It's not even starting or stopping interacting with people. Its being fed what we want and what we are comfortable with. The algorithmic firehose freezes us into a comfortable, unchanging state. We don't update our beliefs because its easier to confirm them.

It's also a bit that compulsatory education ends at 18, and we switch to entercation. The top priority of the news is to captivate attention and entertain.

The black mirror about muting people and not seeing them anymore is the future. Living in one physical space occupied by multiple tribes, who merely see otherselves as apparitions.

Any time it is applicable, i have to post my favorite article on the internt https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/78691781-c9b7... Ironic that im stuck on it.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by goatlover »

jojobas wrote: post #29
veunes wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think about it, it's indeed easier to start from scratch and create a new digital world than to fix the current one. The current world depends on far too many people

Yes it's easier to keep hitting a pleasure switch, especially if you have a brain of a rat.

Rats actually prefer the real world to a boring cage with a lever.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by sanderjd »

threeseed wrote: post #14
lolinder wrote: post #11

> For a time, at what may have been the height of the internet’s thrall, it became popular to pretend that the digital and material worlds were continuous—that the “real” one had no special meaning, because cyberspace had become a part of it. That turned out to be wrong. We live in cars and on couches and, separately, we also live on phones. Apple believes it can resolve this conflict—that the digital and material wo…

It's easy to make this judgement now when the headset has just been launched. But over the coming decades we are going to new see new types of social interaction that could enhance the world rather than break it apart. For example, being in Australia conferences in the EU and US require a 14 hour flight time and days of adjusting to a new time zone. Likewise there are people working two jobs, have children or are a c…

> It's easy to make this judgement now when the headset has just been launched. But over the coming decades we are going to new see new types of social interaction that could enhance the world rather than break it apart.

So ... in many ways my life has been this "over the coming decades" first the internet in general, then social media, then smart phones. And at each of those steps I said what you just said about this.

But I dunno man! I have to say that I feel like the "this will lead to deterioration in valuable human bonds" crowd has been more thoroughly vindicated than my "we have to wait and see whether the good dominates the bad!" crowd.

Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad

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Post by [deleted] »

signatoremo wrote: post #34
throwup238 wrote: post #19

> The headset, which weighs as much as a cauliflower Christ, I just learned the length of a football field (and that there exists a different futbol pitch). Now I have to learn how much random vegetables weigh? Can we at least stick to Brassica oleracea in the future? Whats the brussel sprout equivalent? > A medium-sized head of cauliflower is about 6 inches across, weighs about 2 pounds and makes 4 to 6 servings aft…

Huh? Do you buy groceries or cook? Now I know exactly how it’d feel in my hands. 600 grams sounds very abstract. The Atlantic isn’t a review site.

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