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Post by dang »

nvm0n2 wrote: post #482
wtallis wrote: post #392

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I think you both have made a mistake that seems all to common among people who are eager for a fight: namely, failing to recognize the distinction between someone who disagrees with your conclusion, and someone who believes your argument to be unsound. In reply to a comment about the inverse square law, you replied with arguments about droplet vs aerosol when neither concept was mentioned in the comment you were repl…

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> Your ability to follow simple conversations is far too poor

Crossing into personal attack will get you banned here. Please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by paulcole »

dang wrote: post #510
paulcole wrote: post #508

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You could 100% edit any post you want here and replace it with a link to a funny YouTube video and call it a fat-finger typo and get away with it. There’s no risk for you (as long as you don’t try it too often).

That would be reckless. We must estimate risk differently. Btw the more accurate reason why we don't do things like that is that we don't want to because it would feel bad. It's not who we want to be. However, the actual reason doesn't always have much persuasive power and when I'm sensing that's the case, I use the cynical argument ("not in our interests", basically), because it's also true. But as the cynical argum…

I mean I’m confident we have 100% different views for “who we want to be.”

This site is a marketing campaign for a VC company. If you see it the same way, I’d be shocked.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by gwbas1c »

goles wrote: post #70
ryandrake wrote: post #27

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Yea, I suspect a sizable number of people use "flag" as a mega-downvote for things they passionately don't like, rather than for policy violations and spam.

For anyone that is concerned about over flagging, please consider turning on showdead and vouching responsibly! If as many people thoughtfully vouched as maliciously flagged it may be less of an issue.

I see dead comments, (there's one in this thread,) but I never see dead stories.

I also pretty regularly vouch.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by dang »

paulcole wrote: post #512
dang wrote: post #510

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That would be reckless. We must estimate risk differently. Btw the more accurate reason why we don't do things like that is that we don't want to because it would feel bad. It's not who we want to be. However, the actual reason doesn't always have much persuasive power and when I'm sensing that's the case, I use the cynical argument ("not in our interests", basically), because it's also true. But as the cynical argum…

I mean I’m confident we have 100% different views for “who we want to be.” This site is a marketing campaign for a VC company. If you see it the same way, I’d be shocked.

YC's a business and operates HN in the end for business reasons*. I don't have a problem with calling that marketing, but I'm puzzled why you bring that up in this context.

* https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by dang »

jjackson5324 wrote: post #503
nottorp wrote: post #478

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Am I, or are you? Your people are dodging tax, probably because no one has got around to regulating crypto in their jurisdiction yet. Not that I blame them. In other places where it's regulated and you get taxed anyway, there's no point in losing money on exchanges.

Nope, you're the clueless one. > Your people are dodging tax I said I'm using USDC. That makes 0 sense. No, the reason we're using crypto is because the transaction fees are literally 0 and it's instant. PayPal takes super high transfer fees. Wise is a cheaper alternative but it's still much more expensive than crypto. > there's no point in losing money on exchanges. Once again, I'm using USDC It's a stable coin teth…

If you keep breaking the site guidelines like this, we will have to ban you. I just warned you about this a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39182597.

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Post by pests »

cubefox wrote: post #471
s1artibartfast wrote: post #331

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In your profile settings there is an option to show flagged topics and posts.

That's not an excuse. Most people won't see that.

User flags are flags users apply to a story.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by pests »

falsandtru wrote: post #358
dang wrote: post #350

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It could certainly be a bug! but it could also be a lot of other things. Yes, the timestamp munging is an artifact of HN's re-upping system, described at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308 and links back from there. About the timestamps, there are past explanations here: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... . The original times are always available because the modified time is us…

Can you also list the original times on the front page for consistency in rankings?

It's not a competition.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by pests »

rhaksw wrote: post #406
dang wrote: post #401

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I'm sorry, but I think that would have the effect of making what is already a difficult job impossible. Even if most submitters saw that information and went "oh! well I guess that's that then," the number who would instantly fire off emails of protest would overwhelm our capacity to answer them. Every submitter thinks their story deserves to make HN's front page, if not #1. Actually, that's not entirely true—the cle…

Your comment isn't dismissive, but I do think users have a right to know where they've been moderated.

Mat I ask why? Why do users have that right?

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by rhaksw »

pests wrote: post #518
rhaksw wrote: post #406

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Your comment isn't dismissive, but I do think users have a right to know where they've been moderated.

Mat I ask why? Why do users have that right?

Thank you for the question. I can think of two reasons:

(1) You wouldn't want someone to secretly remove or demote your own commentary. But secretive content moderation is extremely common on today's major platforms. In order to be heard there, you would need to fight back against the practice, and you cannot effectively do that while keeping secrets yourself.

(2) Undisclosed content moderation does not express any kind of message, and therefore the platforms' use of it may not even be protected by the first amendment.

#2 is currently under discussion in a few cases before the Supreme Court:

https://twitter.com/rhaksw/status/1752367424303771948

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by tptacek »

verticalscaler wrote: post #487
tptacek wrote: post #385

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Hm. I think what I'm going to do instead is relentlessly flag them. Check this out. It's barely on the front page, and has just 3 comments right now. How great is this post? How much more would I rather be reading comments on this than about Bari Weiss? Infinity times more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39235484 My son is a biochemist (interviewing for grad school slots right now , as in this actual evening ,…

Congratulations on your son becoming a biochemist! A wonderful achievement. Surely his middle school biology teachers had something to do with it. You should pay them a visit. Maybe ask them how many genders there are and see their faces contort in horror. Please note that on this, covid, and whatever other such... things .. I offer no opinions of my own. I don't actually care very much about those topics and also, p…

Flags don't cancel each other out, so me and twilight-zone me get along just fine.
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