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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by lukan »

mandmandam wrote: post #480
lukan wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"and non toxic discussions" Have you seen one discussion about Gaza free of that? I haven't. (My main account is rate limited, because of a recent Gaza debate btw. Because I like heated discussions from time to time. But I can respect that it is not wanted here) "So add a flame war tag, or a politics tag, and let people filter it. Filter it with AI. Grow a thicker skin, or expand your mind - there's a lot of options.…

> Have you seen one discussion about Gaza free of that? I haven't. I have. I linked them as examples above. > demanding that other people and places change to your liking I haven't made any demands. I've said what I'd like to see improved. On the whole I like this community, and I try to contribute to it positively. Making suggestions on how it could be run with less censorship and suppression is not an unreasonable…

"I linked them as examples above."

In my opinion they were not free of that.

"ICJ orders Israel to stop genocide in Gaza"

And this one is really bad, as the ICJ did not do such a thing. The ICJ has not made any ruling, whether what happens in Gaza is genocide or not, so what good can come out of such a manipulative headline?

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by nvm0n2 »

wtallis wrote: post #392
nvm0n2 wrote: post #356

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Thank you to sibling ggdG for presenting even more evidence. But I don't get your reply at all, wtallis. "the next few paragraphs should be about backing that claim up with convincing evidence and explanations" - which is what the stuff about the Diamond Princess, SARS-1 and Hong Kong was about? Evidence and explanations for why the droplet model was wrong. Do you see that? The connection is that the claim exposure a…

I think you both have made a mistake that seems all to common among people who are eager for a fight: namely, failing to recognize the distinction between someone who disagrees with your conclusion, and someone who believes your argument to be unsound. In reply to a comment about the inverse square law, you replied with arguments about droplet vs aerosol when neither concept was mentioned in the comment you were repl…

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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by latexr »

> it's hard to believe that HN users would be tired of LLM-related news.

You find it hard to believe that users are fatigued by a subject that is posted ad nauseam? People have been tired for over a year.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34722220

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #133

> The assumption is that a Story cannot go from the top 30 to a position higher than 90 in a single minute, without having been explicitly removed. That's wrong. Both the flamewar detector (a.k.a. the overheated discussion detector) and user flags do that, and there are other software mechanisms that do it too. For example, if a story has been on the front page for more than (IIRC) 18 hours, it gets an automatic down…

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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #139

I don't have a problem with users building things like this because the principles by which HN works are all easy enough to explain and defend—just remember that anything this complex is inevitably a mess, so you need to have high tolerance for messiness if you want to understand it accurately. However, it's important to correct inaccuracies like the one mentioned here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39231537 .…

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Post by verticalscaler »

tptacek wrote: post #385
nvm0n2 wrote: post #374

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This isn't actually COVID specific. It's a nasty and frequent tactic on this forum, where someone makes strong assertions about one side of an argument whilst simultaneously claiming that the other side can't be allowed to speak because it would be "fighting", a "flamewar", a "trash fire", "not curious", "tedious" or whatever. It's an attempt to manipulate the site rules to suppress debate and is itself anti-curious.…

Hm. I think what I'm going to do instead is relentlessly flag them. Check this out. It's barely on the front page, and has just 3 comments right now. How great is this post? How much more would I rather be reading comments on this than about Bari Weiss? Infinity times more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39235484 My son is a biochemist (interviewing for grad school slots right now , as in this actual evening ,…

Congratulations on your son becoming a biochemist! A wonderful achievement.

Surely his middle school biology teachers had something to do with it. You should pay them a visit. Maybe ask them how many genders there are and see their faces contort in horror.

Please note that on this, covid, and whatever other such... things.. I offer no opinions of my own. I don't actually care very much about those topics and also, perhaps similarly to you, am put off by the far-(right|left) fanatics obsessed with them.

My peeve is with what it did to good public discourse and good people.

Perhaps if you see it on the faces of your sons teachers, who no doubt have had a rather increasingly stressful job in the not so many years since he left them, and to whom he owes at least a modicum of his no doubt bright future - you will understand my objection to your behavior of drumming out people in this fashion.

> How much more would I rather be reading comments on this than about Bari Weiss? Infinity times more

So do so! Nobody forces you to click on the Bari Weiss stuff. There is no doubt an evil twilight zone tptacek who flags the other way. And you both think you're great sheriffs clearing the joint from scum.

How much would I rather the thread you linked on daunting papers. How much more would I rather be reading comments on this than "you-are-wrong-about-my-sacred-cow, flagged!" remarks.

In my opinion you should just let people be wrong (see, no snarky air quotes from me! I hope you understand my tone and where I'm coming from) in the covid threads, leave each other alone and it won't boil over to more interesting threads. It's weird adults teach this in kindergarten but on a fancy I so smart forum we can't bring ourselves to rise above.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by nkurz »

elpocko wrote: post #449
nkurz wrote: post #438

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Thanks for clarifying. I think part of my confusion was that HN only has one moderator at this point. Also, I'd probably say "not always obvious" rather than "not transparent". While there is no public record of moderation, at least for me Dan has been excellent about answering questions when asked.

Yes. I will use the words you want me to use, and not my own words. Thanks for helping me out.

I think you've misinterpreted my tone. I was not trying to tell you how to speak, but rather how I view the issue. You are welcome to share your own view.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by Culonavirus »

rezonant wrote: post #324
Culonavirus wrote: post #186

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> keep in mind that user flags affect a submission's rank long before the [flagged] marker appears What kinds of user flags are there and why are they not public? People should know. Shadowbanning belongs in the 2010s.

It's just the flagging you already have access to (as you have more than 30 karma). It's the flag option. There's nothing special otherwise that I'm aware of (at least at 2500 karma)

okay, looked into it, my bad!

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by zug_zug »

a12k wrote: post #3

Looking at the list of removed stories makes me really happy with the moderators here. They're all sensationalist, advertising for some company, clickbait, way off topic, or some combination of above. In fact, I don't see a single story that I personally feel should not have been removed. Thanks, mods.

Agree, and to be clear, that's why I upvoted this submission -- it really is an endorsement of the algorithm and moderation we see here. I know the person who wrote the article did it from a place of skepticism, but it functions as a nice gold-star transparency report.
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