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Post by Workaccount2 »

ggdG wrote: post #372
Workaccount2 wrote: post #355

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You sure? https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/article-abs... When the medical field phases out masks because they "have no benefit" I will believe that masking was useless. Also keep in the mind that the primary reason for studies showing masks not working is that people don't wear it correctly or at all.

>You sure? > https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/article-abs... That's just one RCT. The Cochrane meta-analysis looked at a bunch of them. >When the medical field phases out masks because they "have no benefit" I will believe that masking was useless. You're putting the cart before the horse. In an ideal world, guidelines for the medical field are based on scientific evidence. But there's always a delay.…

If you read the study you would see that they addressed the issue of meta-studies on the topic.

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Post by wolverine876 »

dang wrote: post #382
wolverine876 wrote: post #84

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I don't agree with the GP at all. Most seem normal for the front page or the intellectual curiosity standard (I mean, personally I'd like a much higher standard, but I'm basing it on what HN already has). All from only one day: * Ford's new 48-inch digital dashboard is a lot of Android for one car: https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/22/24045932/ford-android-scr... * Secret Plan Against Germany (a very big story in Germa…

Ok, I'm finally getting to this - sorry for taking so long! First let's find the actual HN submissions... here they are: Ford's new 48-inch digital dashboard is a lot of Android for one car - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39089599 - Jan 2024 (78 comments) Secret Plan Against Germany - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39092116 - Jan 2024 (5 comments) Show HN: Vx.dev – GitHub-Powered AI for effortless develo…

dang - thanks for taking the time to respond in detail. You really go above and beyond. I imagine this whole discussion landing like a concrete block on your plate (but hey, maybe you dig this part of the job).

I have/had no objection to the moderation on these posts. In fact, if I were monarch of HN and the Internet, I'd want an order of magnitude higher standard for the quality of posts, comments, and conduct. I want to spend my time and on the actual very best intellectual content and discussion possible - it would probably be mostly the very best books and papers from journals if I had my way. (Not that I think HN should serve my personal preference, I'm just demonstrating that I am far away from criticizing the moderation.)

My GP comment and my other one that you responded to [0] were trying to recenter at least part of the discusson on a factual basis, which I find much more interesting than the (completely unintersting) conspiracy theory aspect. That is, if we explore it factually, objectively, intelligently, how does it work? how does it work out? For example, I imagine there are some interesting emergent properties which would tell us about the HN population, emergent properties of algorithms, and the interaction between them.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39231055

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Post by jjackson5324 »

nottorp wrote: post #478
jjackson5324 wrote: post #407

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Yeah, you're just wrong. I have several people in the Philippines and South America who help me out with misc things (VA-type tasks). All of them have asked me if I could pay them in crypto (USDC on AVAX Chain). There's tons of people who use it for day to day. You're just in a bubble.

Am I, or are you? Your people are dodging tax, probably because no one has got around to regulating crypto in their jurisdiction yet. Not that I blame them. In other places where it's regulated and you get taxed anyway, there's no point in losing money on exchanges.

Nope, you're the clueless one.

> Your people are dodging tax

I said I'm using USDC. That makes 0 sense.

No, the reason we're using crypto is because the transaction fees are literally 0 and it's instant.

PayPal takes super high transfer fees. Wise is a cheaper alternative but it's still much more expensive than crypto.

> there's no point in losing money on exchanges.

Once again, I'm using USDC

It's a stable coin tethered to the US dollar.

It's really strange how HN users are so confident on things they know nothing about.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

dang wrote: post #499
LAC-Tech wrote: post #477

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I ran my own client side script to strip out links to such articles. New computer, didn't copy the script over, and now I'm engaged in passive aggressive discussions over some guardian article. It's my own weakness of course, but I am definitely not the only one.

I know that happens and I suppose we could look into tightening the screws a bit, but it feels to me like a step too far to exclude those sites from HN. Some of the opinion sections get extra downweight - that might be helping a little.

Please don't tighten the screws. They do have great articles, and I really don't think those threads become problematic at a higher rate than others.

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Post by paulcole »

dang wrote: post #439
paulcole wrote: post #430

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What did you think he was going to say? Explain that it was in fact a big HN conspiracy? I mean yeah it probably was just a mistake but what do you expect somebody to say?

You just need to move your game theory to a different level. The expected value of lying about such things is super negative and the expected value of telling the truth is super positive. I'm sure there's a model in which lying some of the time but not too often has marginally higher expected value, but it's also going to have significantly higher risk and that's not worth it, plus you have to be disciplined enough t…

My point is obviously that you’d tell a lie that looks like the truth people want to believe. Which when you get away with it is the biggest EV of all.

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Post by dang »

paulcole wrote: post #505
dang wrote: post #439

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You just need to move your game theory to a different level. The expected value of lying about such things is super negative and the expected value of telling the truth is super positive. I'm sure there's a model in which lying some of the time but not too often has marginally higher expected value, but it's also going to have significantly higher risk and that's not worth it, plus you have to be disciplined enough t…

My point is obviously that you’d tell a lie that looks like the truth people want to believe. Which when you get away with it is the biggest EV of all.

Not once you control for risk, though. "When you get away with it" is a big assumption.

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Post by estiaan »

ESTheComposer wrote: post #491
estiaan wrote: post #442

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The state of the crypto world is such that i genuinely can’t tell if you’re being satirical by using a bunch of jargon and acronyms that mean nothing in the order you used them, or not

You don’t know what an ETF is or the SEC?

No, I really don’t, and most people probably don’t. My job has absolutely nothing to do with finance, luckily.

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Post by paulcole »

dang wrote: post #506
paulcole wrote: post #505

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My point is obviously that you’d tell a lie that looks like the truth people want to believe. Which when you get away with it is the biggest EV of all.

Not once you control for risk, though. "When you get away with it" is a big assumption.

You could 100% edit any post you want here and replace it with a link to a funny YouTube video and call it a fat-finger typo and get away with it. There’s no risk for you (as long as you don’t try it too often).

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Post by ESTheComposer »

estiaan wrote: post #507
ESTheComposer wrote: post #491

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You don’t know what an ETF is or the SEC?

No, I really don’t, and most people probably don’t. My job has absolutely nothing to do with finance, luckily.

You should probably learn what an ETF is…it’s one of the most basic investment vehicles that will grow your savings reliably over the years, and most people put their 401ks (or equivalent) into them, so yes a ton of normal people know what it is.

The SEC enforces regulation (or it’s supposed to at least) around securities passed by congress.

The real question here is if you don’t even know a basic finance term like ETF, why are you trying to talk down to my statement and crypto when you clearly have no knowledge of the sector? It’s just ignorant

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Post by dang »

paulcole wrote: post #508
dang wrote: post #506

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Not once you control for risk, though. "When you get away with it" is a big assumption.

You could 100% edit any post you want here and replace it with a link to a funny YouTube video and call it a fat-finger typo and get away with it. There’s no risk for you (as long as you don’t try it too often).

That would be reckless. We must estimate risk differently.

Btw the more accurate reason why we don't do things like that is that we don't want to because it would feel bad. It's not who we want to be. However, the actual reason doesn't always have much persuasive power and when I'm sensing that's the case, I use the cynical argument ("not in our interests", basically), because it's also true. But as the cynical argument isn't persuading you, maybe I should switch back!

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