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Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by maximus-decimus »

globular-toast wrote: post #124
maximus-decimus wrote: post #86

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You would think that on Hacker News, people would understand that being excited about new experimental tech isn't the same as being an idiot. You're allowed to like tech even is it's not yet practical or even when it clearly will never be.

Who doesn't like tech? This isn't some special HN thing and my point isn't really about tech but about delayed gratification in general.

I don't think I made my point clear. If tech is now cheap and useful, it has become boring. If you wait 5 years, it's not delayed gratification because you won't experience the fun of playing with new tech, because it's not new anymore.

The whole gratification part comes from playing with the bleeding edge. It comes with dreaming of what this tech could become.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by [deleted] »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #130
globular-toast wrote: post #125

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My theory is that those able to do delayed gratification are happier. Or it could be that being happier makes delayed gratification easier. Not sure, but either way there is a link. In specific terms an early adopter risks disappointment and at best gets an early version of a product. Subsequent upgrades provide marginal enjoyment and often feel more like obligations than anything. The late adopter comes in when they…

> My theory is that those able to do delayed gratification are happier. Or it could be that being happier makes delayed gratification easier. Not sure, but either way there is a link. In that case, someone that is easily able to delay but chooses not to might be happiest of all? > Subsequent upgrades provide marginal enjoyment and often feel more like obligations than anything. Uh huh... I don't know, I don't find yo…

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Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by BlueTemplar »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #128
BlueTemplar wrote: post #112

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I'm not really sure you're getting it about that last bit : For instance I have spent some free hours in the last few days catching up on a game that I haven't played in nearly a decade, originally released in 1999. Right now I'm staring at a multiplayer lobby with nearly a thousand people (and this is only of the servers, though likely the most popular one). And if the game in question doesn't interest anyone after…

The multiplayer problem is that you're jumping in with 99% people that are extremely experienced, nobody else near your level. It's not a dealbreaker but it definitely changes things. The discussion problem is that nobody you know is exploring the game. There's no collaborative learning and sharing and theorycrafting. Even if they played it they might not remember the story well after five years.

Wrong again - using my example, when I was looking at that chat, there were two people in the last few hours asking for other new players to play with them.

(And also one much more experienced player complaining that "nobody is reading the rules", and getting pushback about some "mandatory" rule that I guess some very experienced players are used to, but "we are not all as good at the game as you, bud".)

And this doesn't even take into account motivating your family/friends to play with you, there was one dad+son looking for tech support and at least one another dad+son game going on.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by jzombie »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #130
globular-toast wrote: post #125

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My theory is that those able to do delayed gratification are happier. Or it could be that being happier makes delayed gratification easier. Not sure, but either way there is a link. In specific terms an early adopter risks disappointment and at best gets an early version of a product. Subsequent upgrades provide marginal enjoyment and often feel more like obligations than anything. The late adopter comes in when they…

> My theory is that those able to do delayed gratification are happier. Or it could be that being happier makes delayed gratification easier. Not sure, but either way there is a link. In that case, someone that is easily able to delay but chooses not to might be happiest of all? > Subsequent upgrades provide marginal enjoyment and often feel more like obligations than anything. Uh huh... I don't know, I don't find yo…

Numerous studies in psychology suggest that the ability to delay gratification is indeed linked to better outcomes in life, including higher academic achievement, better health, and more profound personal satisfaction.

Instant gratification is largely simple decisions by simple people.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by demondemidi »

hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #34

About the ADHD part: I don't know whether I have ADHD but I do lose focus quickly once I figure out how to solve a problem, before doing any implementation -- after all the implementation, however long it could take, is boring and uninteresting comparing to figuring out how to implement. So what if I get myself a Raspberry Pi 8GB and jumps into VSCode and VSCode only? Is it possible to make a VSCode "terminal" that o…

I don’t know if “not finishing what you start” is adhd or laziness. How do you know you solved something if you don’t implement it? For myself I have decades of evidence that show the first proof of concept I think of is always very different from the final product. It’s even more different when I’m working with a team.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by pama »

nozzlegear wrote: post #77
Swizec wrote: post #13

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> I never used the iPad is anything more than a consumption device Same until I got the keyboard. Most of my iPads collected dust in a corner because I don’t really do that much consumption. Then I got the Magic Keyboard and my iPad basically replaced my laptop. I use it for almost all my non-coding work. Even to give talks and workshops at conferences. The battery life is amazing, the form factor super convenient, a…

Same here, the keyboard plus iPad Pro has been an incredible combo for me. I’ve written here on HN before about how I use it to write code from the couch, bed, and even hotel rooms by SSHing into the Mac in my office and using Vim. I’ve got an Apple Vision Pro and am planning to test exactly that setup tonight.

Did it work fine?

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by fsociety »

LoganDark wrote: post #123
astrange wrote: post #120

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> If I try to think less, then thoughts will just hide themselves from me. repeatedly, some new fully-developed thought will just suddenly reveal itself to me, having already been developing for the past 10+ seconds without my knowledge. That sounds like successful meditation, because noticing this is the first thing you're supposed to learn using it. Just practice it going away again once it shows up.

It almost sounds like it, but I can't control those thoughts. They happen on their own. I've been told one of the ways to successful meditation is learning to be a passive observer of these thoughts, to let them happen but not engage in them, but I definitely don't know how that works.

You were doing it. Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvuVhCIQgfQ.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by LoganDark »

fsociety wrote: post #137
LoganDark wrote: post #123

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It almost sounds like it, but I can't control those thoughts. They happen on their own. I've been told one of the ways to successful meditation is learning to be a passive observer of these thoughts, to let them happen but not engage in them, but I definitely don't know how that works.

You were doing it. Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvuVhCIQgfQ .

Interesting. I definitely have an internal universe, but I've been trying for almost a decade to access it. Meditation does not work unless I'm on certain drugs, all of which that are legal having stopped working for that purpose. The only way I have found is to find another real person and actually describe it to them as I explore. If there is nobody else there, it is as if my internal universe does not even exist. Even my DID system seems to stop existing. I just become a completely empty shell unless there is somebody else around to observe me. In other words, it does not seem like it exists for me, but only to be observed by others.

I want to fix this, but I do not think that is possible...

Also, the technique recommended in the video doesn't sound like something I can do since I don't feel like having to explain the weird noises to the other people in my house.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by joshstrange »

drh wrote: post #127
joshstrange wrote: post #71

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After writing this I went to write a tiny new feature for my side project on the AVP. At first I couldn't get my AVP to connect to my MBP and I thought it might be because it was in clamshell mode. I opened up setting and clicked around a bit then it showed up on my AVP to connect to (I went to Control Center and clicked the button to connect to a MBP, it didn't prompt me. It did prompt me the other day when I had th…

Really useful to hear about your experiences actually coding. None of the video reviews have touched on this, so thanks for that. With regards the ‘smearing’, not sure how familiar you are with VR tech but, could you characterise it further? Some things it may be off the top of my head: Is it the display not switching pixel state fast enough? This was a problem with early Oculus headsets until we figured out how to s…

I talk more about the smearing and using it with Mac Virtual Display here: https://joshstrange.com/2024/02/04/apple-vision-pro-writing-...

I hope this answers some of your questions.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by globular-toast »

maximus-decimus wrote: post #131
globular-toast wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who doesn't like tech? This isn't some special HN thing and my point isn't really about tech but about delayed gratification in general.

I don't think I made my point clear. If tech is now cheap and useful, it has become boring. If you wait 5 years, it's not delayed gratification because you won't experience the fun of playing with new tech, because it's not new anymore. The whole gratification part comes from playing with the bleeding edge. It comes with dreaming of what this tech could become.

It's newn to you. I don't really understand why the knowledge that someone, somewhere has something shinier and newer would make you unhappy.

I shouldn't complain, though. Early adopters are like investors who don't receive any equity. They pay for the R&D etc that people like me later get to benefit from.

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