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Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

lawrenceyan wrote: post #94
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #72

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Not the OP, but I also have catastrophic ADHD as they so eloquently put it. I've tried several techniques, that have had some minor initial success, but I just get bored and stop doing it. Which is also why I never became a better than beginner guitar player, properly filled out my opening repertoire in chess, finished almost any project I started, or did regular exercise. I just can't get myself to do boring repetit…

Part of the point of meditation in its early stages is training focus/concentration. If you feel bored that’s a good thing! It means you’re giving your brain a good workout basically, and it’s improving.

Eh, sure. But then, as is said, due to the boredom, I stop doing it. This is the problem.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by Loggias »

pastorhudson wrote: post #53
hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #34

About the ADHD part: I don't know whether I have ADHD but I do lose focus quickly once I figure out how to solve a problem, before doing any implementation -- after all the implementation, however long it could take, is boring and uninteresting comparing to figuring out how to implement. So what if I get myself a Raspberry Pi 8GB and jumps into VSCode and VSCode only? Is it possible to make a VSCode "terminal" that o…

I think it will be a lot of fun to build it and then because you built it you will be highly motivated to use it for a season. Maybe a few weeks. Maybe 6 months, but eventually it will will be boring too. I find pomodo style gorilla warfare works best for me. I tell myself I will work on the implementation for 15 minutes. If after 15 minutes I am still repelled by this task to the point I am unproductive, then I acce…

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Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by LoganDark »

astrange wrote: post #120
LoganDark wrote: post #117

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"catastrophic ADHD" is probably one of the best ways I've seen it described. At times I get hit with just how many things it's ruined over the years and it just makes me feel completely hopeless, like I don't even have any control over my life at all. I don't know if I ever will. It sucks feeling like I could be intelligent and have great potential but my ability to turn that potential into real action is so impaired…

> If I try to think less, then thoughts will just hide themselves from me. repeatedly, some new fully-developed thought will just suddenly reveal itself to me, having already been developing for the past 10+ seconds without my knowledge. That sounds like successful meditation, because noticing this is the first thing you're supposed to learn using it. Just practice it going away again once it shows up.

It almost sounds like it, but I can't control those thoughts. They happen on their own. I've been told one of the ways to successful meditation is learning to be a passive observer of these thoughts, to let them happen but not engage in them, but I definitely don't know how that works.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by globular-toast »

maximus-decimus wrote: post #86
globular-toast wrote: post #66

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I don't even get why people spend money on this stuff. You're just paying an idiot tax because you're a sucker for marketing. Someone who waits, say, 5 years before getting something like this will get more enjoyment out of it at a fraction of the price. Or it will just turn out to be a silly gimmick and they'll save the time and money entirely. Stuff like 3D TVs come to mind. The "patient gamers" subreddit seems to…

You would think that on Hacker News, people would understand that being excited about new experimental tech isn't the same as being an idiot. You're allowed to like tech even is it's not yet practical or even when it clearly will never be.

Who doesn't like tech? This isn't some special HN thing and my point isn't really about tech but about delayed gratification in general.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by globular-toast »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #76
globular-toast wrote: post #66

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I don't even get why people spend money on this stuff. You're just paying an idiot tax because you're a sucker for marketing. Someone who waits, say, 5 years before getting something like this will get more enjoyment out of it at a fraction of the price. Or it will just turn out to be a silly gimmick and they'll save the time and money entirely. Stuff like 3D TVs come to mind. The "patient gamers" subreddit seems to…

> Someone who waits, say, 5 years before getting something like this will get more enjoyment out of it at a fraction of the price. Probably not more enjoyment, unless you pretend the early buyer can never upgrade ever. > The "patient gamers" subreddit seems to agree with this thinking. You basically just delay your game of choice by a few years. Makes absolutely no difference to you except you save money and perhaps…

My theory is that those able to do delayed gratification are happier. Or it could be that being happier makes delayed gratification easier. Not sure, but either way there is a link.

In specific terms an early adopter risks disappointment and at best gets an early version of a product. Subsequent upgrades provide marginal enjoyment and often feel more like obligations than anything. The late adopter comes in when they know they need/want the product and they go from zero to a much later, more capable version of the product. And then get to enjoy just as many real quality of life improvements, they're delayed but the frequency can be the same. Plus they save a whole load of money.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by globular-toast »

nozzlegear wrote: post #83
globular-toast wrote: post #66

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I don't even get why people spend money on this stuff. You're just paying an idiot tax because you're a sucker for marketing. Someone who waits, say, 5 years before getting something like this will get more enjoyment out of it at a fraction of the price. Or it will just turn out to be a silly gimmick and they'll save the time and money entirely. Stuff like 3D TVs come to mind. The "patient gamers" subreddit seems to…

Why wait 5 years when you can wait 10?

Even better. If you're happy for those 10 years then that's a good life. That's all there is to it really. Realistically there is going to be some balance between living a totally simple, low tech life and wasting money on the hedonic treadmill. It might be 10 years for some things (like cars) but perhaps much shorter for others, like going from dial up internet to broadband.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by drh »

joshstrange wrote: post #71
joshstrange wrote: post #25

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I cover some of this in my blog post, but mostly it came down to the text I was looking at would be sharp and easy to read, but anything in my peripheral vision would look a little bit blurry. I only gave it a quick test and today I’m planning on trying to write a new feature all in the Vision Pro to see how that goes.

After writing this I went to write a tiny new feature for my side project on the AVP. At first I couldn't get my AVP to connect to my MBP and I thought it might be because it was in clamshell mode. I opened up setting and clicked around a bit then it showed up on my AVP to connect to (I went to Control Center and clicked the button to connect to a MBP, it didn't prompt me. It did prompt me the other day when I had th…

Really useful to hear about your experiences actually coding. None of the video reviews have touched on this, so thanks for that.

With regards the ‘smearing’, not sure how familiar you are with VR tech but, could you characterise it further?

Some things it may be off the top of my head:

Is it the display not switching pixel state fast enough? This was a problem with early Oculus headsets until we figured out how to strobe displays for ‘low persistence’.

Or, is it eye tracking lag, resulting in the foveated rendering not keeping up with where you are looking quickly enough? Human eyes can move extremely quickly from point-to-point (called saccades).

Be great to get your thoughts on the possible cause / tech limitations.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by Dylan16807 »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #112
Dylan16807 wrote: post #76

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> Someone who waits, say, 5 years before getting something like this will get more enjoyment out of it at a fraction of the price. Probably not more enjoyment, unless you pretend the early buyer can never upgrade ever. > The "patient gamers" subreddit seems to agree with this thinking. You basically just delay your game of choice by a few years. Makes absolutely no difference to you except you save money and perhaps…

I'm not really sure you're getting it about that last bit : For instance I have spent some free hours in the last few days catching up on a game that I haven't played in nearly a decade, originally released in 1999. Right now I'm staring at a multiplayer lobby with nearly a thousand people (and this is only of the servers, though likely the most popular one). And if the game in question doesn't interest anyone after…

The multiplayer problem is that you're jumping in with 99% people that are extremely experienced, nobody else near your level. It's not a dealbreaker but it definitely changes things.

The discussion problem is that nobody you know is exploring the game. There's no collaborative learning and sharing and theorycrafting. Even if they played it they might not remember the story well after five years.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by lawgimenez »

nunez wrote: post #96

> I'm currently typing this blog post in a floating window in the middle of snow-covered Yosemite. I am a floating body manifested into the transcendental Tim Cook matrix. I look into the sky and follow the soft clouds as they pass overhead. They slowly part, revealing Steve Jobs' smiling face watching over me from the heavens above. I am merely one more thing. god damn; this is the most dystopian shit i've read in a…

Just like the lazy humans in Wall-E.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by Dylan16807 »

globular-toast wrote: post #125
Dylan16807 wrote: post #76

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> Someone who waits, say, 5 years before getting something like this will get more enjoyment out of it at a fraction of the price. Probably not more enjoyment, unless you pretend the early buyer can never upgrade ever. > The "patient gamers" subreddit seems to agree with this thinking. You basically just delay your game of choice by a few years. Makes absolutely no difference to you except you save money and perhaps…

My theory is that those able to do delayed gratification are happier. Or it could be that being happier makes delayed gratification easier. Not sure, but either way there is a link. In specific terms an early adopter risks disappointment and at best gets an early version of a product. Subsequent upgrades provide marginal enjoyment and often feel more like obligations than anything. The late adopter comes in when they…

> My theory is that those able to do delayed gratification are happier. Or it could be that being happier makes delayed gratification easier. Not sure, but either way there is a link.

In that case, someone that is easily able to delay but chooses not to might be happiest of all?

> Subsequent upgrades provide marginal enjoyment and often feel more like obligations than anything.

Uh huh...

I don't know, I don't find your argument at all convincing that this person gets less enjoyment considering they get to have the same product at the end.

Maybe they have less of a first day wow factor if they touch many intermediate versions, but that fades fast. But even that is a maybe because by splitting up advances you can give each one more focus.

Learning how to walk is way better than crawling, but you're not going to have more total enjoyment by waiting and going nowhere in the mean time.

> Plus they save a whole load of money.

Obviously they save money, but the interesting part of your claim was that they both save money and get more enjoyment.

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