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Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by jitl »

sneak wrote: post #107
jitl wrote: post #104

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You can use whatever peripherals are connected to your Mac with Vision Pro if you’re using the AVP as the display for your Mac. The Mac’s cursor can leave the Mac window to interact with floating Vision Pro windows and such. I used my Logitech Bluetooth mouse just fine for that.

Yeah I assume this is going to require continuity/handoff, and those use iCloud for syncing state/keys, and iCloud is a privacy nightmare, so unfortunately that feature is probably off the table for me as all iCloud hostnames are blackholed on my macs. I’ll know more on Monday. My statement was of course about the AVP; everyone knows you can use bluetooth mice on a mac.

It’s so strange that I can use a mouse via Continuity and the UI seems to respond thoughtfully to the pointing device, but I just tried pairing that same Logitech mouse and got an error saying “Mouse input is currently not supported on visionOS”. Getting a lot of iPhone/iOS 1.0 vibes.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by BlueTemplar »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #76
globular-toast wrote: post #66

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I don't even get why people spend money on this stuff. You're just paying an idiot tax because you're a sucker for marketing. Someone who waits, say, 5 years before getting something like this will get more enjoyment out of it at a fraction of the price. Or it will just turn out to be a silly gimmick and they'll save the time and money entirely. Stuff like 3D TVs come to mind. The "patient gamers" subreddit seems to…

> Someone who waits, say, 5 years before getting something like this will get more enjoyment out of it at a fraction of the price. Probably not more enjoyment, unless you pretend the early buyer can never upgrade ever. > The "patient gamers" subreddit seems to agree with this thinking. You basically just delay your game of choice by a few years. Makes absolutely no difference to you except you save money and perhaps…

I'm not really sure you're getting it about that last bit : For instance I have spent some free hours in the last few days catching up on a game that I haven't played in nearly a decade, originally released in 1999. Right now I'm staring at a multiplayer lobby with nearly a thousand people (and this is only of the servers, though likely the most popular one).

And if the game in question doesn't interest anyone after X years... there are probably good reasons for that ? Why would you first start playing and discussing it then ?

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by hnthrowaway0328 »

saintlunaire wrote: post #68
hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #42

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Probably because we all want toys but need justifications so that wives don't get angry.

Wives read HN and enjoy new technologies too, FYI.

Not all wives apparently. If I follow my heart my wife will be a computer widow.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by gnicholas »

joshstrange wrote: post #9

I completely agree on the extra overhead for opening new windows, and this authors thoughts on the pass-through quality. For myself I don’t think I realized how much I just look around while I’m thinking or working on some thing else but the Apple Vision Pro makes that very obvious as things light up, expand, etc. I never used the iPad is anything more than a consumption device and as things stand right now I’m not s…

I saw you post only occasionally and was intrigued by your first post, [1] about unsubscribing from college. Obviously you're doing just fine if a decade after pulling out of college you can afford an AVP! I'd be interested to read a retrospective on how the last decade has gone.

1: https://joshstrange.com/2012/03/21/why-i-canceled-my-college...

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by joshstrange »

gnicholas wrote: post #114
joshstrange wrote: post #9

I completely agree on the extra overhead for opening new windows, and this authors thoughts on the pass-through quality. For myself I don’t think I realized how much I just look around while I’m thinking or working on some thing else but the Apple Vision Pro makes that very obvious as things light up, expand, etc. I never used the iPad is anything more than a consumption device and as things stand right now I’m not s…

I saw you post only occasionally and was intrigued by your first post, [1] about unsubscribing from college. Obviously you're doing just fine if a decade after pulling out of college you can afford an AVP! I'd be interested to read a retrospective on how the last decade has gone. 1: https://joshstrange.com/2012/03/21/why-i-canceled-my-college...

Seeing how my normal blogging cadence is once every couple years, I can’t promise anything but if I do post some thing, I’ll reply to this. Overall, it’s gone very well and dropping out of college was the right choice for me.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by dpig_ »

lawrenceyan wrote: post #95
austin-cheney wrote: post #57

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We have, but we didn’t try enough types of medication to find an ideal fit. I suspect the right medication would be helpful. The more extreme the ADHD the higher the concentration of medication is required to achieve normal functioning which means high side effects. To understand the complexity of brain medication requires an understanding of the problem. For ADHD the problem is both dopamine and low serotonin. Dopam…

I won’t tell you not to use medication. Most of the world drinks caffeine everyday. Maybe it truly is necessary for some people. But I would really caution its usage. It’s the same as putting a hammer and slamming it against the person’s brain. It’s also temporary and goes away the moment the drug disappears. Meditation has the benefit of bringing permanent positive changes. But more importantly it acts in a way that…

> It's also temporary and goes away the moment the drug disappears.

Some meditative insight might reveal that, in fact, everything is temporary. Therapies don't need to be cures.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by LoganDark »

lawrenceyan wrote: post #94
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #72

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Not the OP, but I also have catastrophic ADHD as they so eloquently put it. I've tried several techniques, that have had some minor initial success, but I just get bored and stop doing it. Which is also why I never became a better than beginner guitar player, properly filled out my opening repertoire in chess, finished almost any project I started, or did regular exercise. I just can't get myself to do boring repetit…

Part of the point of meditation in its early stages is training focus/concentration. If you feel bored that’s a good thing! It means you’re giving your brain a good workout basically, and it’s improving.

"catastrophic ADHD" is probably one of the best ways I've seen it described. At times I get hit with just how many things it's ruined over the years and it just makes me feel completely hopeless, like I don't even have any control over my life at all. I don't know if I ever will. It sucks feeling like I could be intelligent and have great potential but my ability to turn that potential into real action is so impaired that I'm almost completely useless and never achieve any of my actual goals.

I've tried to meditate before, but... it doesn't really work. If I try to think less, then thoughts will just hide themselves from me. repeatedly, some new fully-developed thought will just suddenly reveal itself to me, having already been developing for the past 10+ seconds without my knowledge. And this will just keep happening. Stuff just keeps happening in the background and I have no control of it. It's like other parts of my brain are thinking completely for themselves and all I can do is watch and beg for control, and never get it.

I'm autistic, and that type of experience is commonly recognized as an autistic pattern of thought.

I don't want to live like this, the catastrophic ADHD, but it doesn't seem like there's any way to fix it. I feel like my brain is completely defective.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by musiciangames »

austin-cheney wrote: post #57
lawrenceyan wrote: post #50

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Have you tried meditation? I genuinely am asking.

We have, but we didn’t try enough types of medication to find an ideal fit. I suspect the right medication would be helpful. The more extreme the ADHD the higher the concentration of medication is required to achieve normal functioning which means high side effects. To understand the complexity of brain medication requires an understanding of the problem. For ADHD the problem is both dopamine and low serotonin. Dopam…

Did you try Modafinil? The effect of tolerance is much less, and few side effects. But maybe not sufficiently industrial strength for you.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by astrange »

austin-cheney wrote: post #57
lawrenceyan wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried meditation? I genuinely am asking.

We have, but we didn’t try enough types of medication to find an ideal fit. I suspect the right medication would be helpful. The more extreme the ADHD the higher the concentration of medication is required to achieve normal functioning which means high side effects. To understand the complexity of brain medication requires an understanding of the problem. For ADHD the problem is both dopamine and low serotonin. Dopam…

> For ADHD the problem is both dopamine and low serotonin.

No mental disorder is caused by low anything. ADHD (some types) are more like you have extra leaky neurons and the dopamine falls out of them. On the other hand, serotonin drugs working for depression seems like it might be a coincidence.

Strattera mostly affects norepinephrine though.

Re: Apple Vision Pro and ADHD

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Post by astrange »

LoganDark wrote: post #117
lawrenceyan wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the point of meditation in its early stages is training focus/concentration. If you feel bored that’s a good thing! It means you’re giving your brain a good workout basically, and it’s improving.

"catastrophic ADHD" is probably one of the best ways I've seen it described. At times I get hit with just how many things it's ruined over the years and it just makes me feel completely hopeless, like I don't even have any control over my life at all. I don't know if I ever will. It sucks feeling like I could be intelligent and have great potential but my ability to turn that potential into real action is so impaired…

> If I try to think less, then thoughts will just hide themselves from me. repeatedly, some new fully-developed thought will just suddenly reveal itself to me, having already been developing for the past 10+ seconds without my knowledge.

That sounds like successful meditation, because noticing this is the first thing you're supposed to learn using it.

Just practice it going away again once it shows up.

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