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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by dylan604 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #109
gwbas1c wrote: post #12

> I sent an email to the moderator. @dang, who was very kind and quick in his response, explained to me that the Story had been flagged by users even without being explicitly [flagged], and that he could therefore only hypothesize the causes of the flag. Maybe this is a consequence of Hacker News not having a way to downvote stories? I only flag stories that are blatant violation of HN's guidelines: SPAM, politics, r…

Where do you see that quote in the OP? I searched for it and didn't find it.

"WHY? Feel free to skip this part or click to expand"

looks like you didn't feel free.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by lolinder »

wolverine876 wrote: post #52

> Using the official HN API, the service fetches 90 Top Stories every minute and makes a comparison with the first 30 Top Stories (i.e. the Front Page) fetched the previous minute. It logs all missing Stories here. The assumption is that a Story cannot go from the top 30 to a position higher than 90 in a single minute, without having been explicitly removed. The OP's hypothesis is that, if rank drops from top-30 to b…

No, it's not true. I have many times been the person who hits "flag" and then refreshed the page to find the story disappeared as [flagged]. When that happens the story is completely gone, off at least the first 3 pages (which is what OP is measuring).

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by happytoexplain »

nathanyz wrote: post #111

Long overdue transparency. Sometimes these are innocuous or warranted removals, but there is also an element of protectionism at play. And that may not even be due to mod actions, but blocks of users who all flag articles to get them pushed to no mans land. There are companies who if you submit a negative post about, within short order the post is pushed out of view of the top pages.

>blocks of users who all flag articles to get them pushed to no mans land

This is just another way of saying that a critical numeric threshold of users didn't like something. Framing the opinions/actions of groups of people on the internet as conspiring or dog-piling is a fallacy. E.g. if a person Tweets something that a million people read and a hundred of them reply to disagree, you'll often see that person follow up with something like, "wow, now all these people are attacking me", even though everybody acted in complete isolation and did nothing strange or harmful individually. Nobody rang a bell in the town square and handed out pitchforks. The internet breaks human psychology.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by lolinder »

wolverine876 wrote: post #96
nottorp wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

s/mods/users? everyone can flag stories.

It's not flags (or not sufficient to remove the story): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39231055

Flags are sufficient. I just posted a comment on the comment you linked to: I have many times been the person who pressed "flag" on a story and then watched it immediately disappear.

I think there's some threshold of flags to upvotes and possibly some other metrics that determines whether a story vanishes, but flags can absolutely tip the scales.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by smaudet »

IshKebab wrote: post #101
kjkjadksj wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took about 10 years for the crypto headline hysteria to taper but it might have been only because ai is now the big annoying thing to shoehorn into everything. Monkeys pawl will curl and you will emerge out of your hibernation to more disgust at whatever the next annoying thing will be.

I think the difference is that AI is definitely useful and here to stay. Crypto was mostly scams or pie in the sky ideas that will never work. It will stick around for money laundering & buying drugs but that's about it.

Eh? I'm not pretending digital coins or dubious "tokens" were all particularly useful, but crypto (in the sense of cryptography) has been around for decades and is definitely here to stay...

The people who made coins and tokens bad for society are doing the same thing with GenAI...

Both are useful and both come with huge problems. Neither one is some panacea or a sustainable get-rich-quick scheme (obviously, both people in "crypto" and in "GenAI" are getting rich, but neither are going to lead to some sort of great societal good).

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by tptacek »

dontupvoteme wrote: post #94
passwordoops wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Altman story was likely a dupe (or triplicate)

Why not redirect to the original story?

Dupes generally drop off the front page, whether or not someone links up the previous stories in the thread. The whole point is not to let the duplicate story crowd out other stories on the front page. Redirecting would defeat the purpose.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by lolinder »

next_xibalba wrote: post #29

Don’t the vast majority of these get removed via flags from users? Edit: I’m not asking a rhetorical question. There are a lot of comments in this thread thanking “the mods” and I didn’t realize there was a mod team cultivating the front page. Can anyone attest to this?

This is accurate, per dang's comment on the Gary Tan thread the other day:

> We didn't flag the post; users did. When it comes to submissions, that's nearly always the case - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39169622

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by hk__2 »

next_xibalba wrote: post #83
giraffe_lady wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th...

Tldr the answer is “2”. Not sure how posting a link where this info is buried is helpful.

> Tldr the answer is “2”. Not sure how posting a link where this info is buried is helpful.

The answer to OP’s first question, but there was a second one:

> How big is his team? What kind of tools are they using?

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