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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by jgrahamc »

felideon wrote: post #61
jgrahamc wrote: post #39

> While I have no reason to doubt Daniel's good faith, it's hard to believe that HN users would be tired of LLM-related news. I think the answer to this is... go set up your our LLM News web site and build a community. I really love HN but I wanted more retro computing and gaming news so I created by own site ( https://twostopbits.com/ ) using the HN source code. It's not hard. Go build the thing you want and moderat…

> It's not hard. Go build the thing you want and moderate it. Does the source code include moderating tools, or is it just a bare bones aggregator with a default ranking algo?

There are moderation tools. I can do things like kill a story, ban a domain, ban a user, alter the score on a story, mark a story as dead, lock a story so no one else can edit it, see how many sock puppets voted for the story, edit any aspect of a story.

I modified the default source to have a concept of tags on a story because I wanted people to be able to filter stories by their areas of interest (e.g. everything Commodore 64: https://twostopbits.com/tag?q=c64). All my changes are open and here: https://github.com/jgrahamc/twostopbits

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by nottorp »

jjackson5324 wrote: post #63
nottorp wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YMMV. I don't want to see Altman's fearmongering and hyperbolic statements. At this point he's indistinguishable from a bitcoin advocate or a tv preacher.

> I don't want to see Altman's fearmongering and hyperbolic statements His statement wasn't even hyperbolic or fearmongering.....? He just extrapolated based on current amounts of compute and estimated a possible model size that could be equivalent to AGI (based on current architecture). Training a model of that size would require too much electricity. That was his point.

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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by mrcwinn »

a12k wrote: post #3

Looking at the list of removed stories makes me really happy with the moderators here. They're all sensationalist, advertising for some company, clickbait, way off topic, or some combination of above. In fact, I don't see a single story that I personally feel should not have been removed. Thanks, mods.

Garry Tan seems to benefit from this system as well. Nothing sensationalist about tracking his awful behavior.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by ChrisArchitect »

gwbas1c wrote: post #12

> I sent an email to the moderator. @dang, who was very kind and quick in his response, explained to me that the Story had been flagged by users even without being explicitly [flagged], and that he could therefore only hypothesize the causes of the flag. Maybe this is a consequence of Hacker News not having a way to downvote stories? I only flag stories that are blatant violation of HN's guidelines: SPAM, politics, r…

Yeah, like you I would have never thought to use the flag unless it was violations etc but turns out it's a weird behaviour of many users. Not sure why or when it originated but seems like its been driving the up/downs of a number of topics/posts for years now. Still use with moderation.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by hyperluz »

a12k wrote: post #3

Looking at the list of removed stories makes me really happy with the moderators here. They're all sensationalist, advertising for some company, clickbait, way off topic, or some combination of above. In fact, I don't see a single story that I personally feel should not have been removed. Thanks, mods.

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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by next_xibalba »

hk__2 wrote: post #56
next_xibalba wrote: post #29

Don’t the vast majority of these get removed via flags from users? Edit: I’m not asking a rhetorical question. There are a lot of comments in this thread thanking “the mods” and I didn’t realize there was a mod team cultivating the front page. Can anyone attest to this?

> There are a lot of comments in this thread thanking “the mods” and I didn’t realize there was a mod team cultivating the front page. Can anyone attest to this? https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th...

I don’t get the impression from that article that Daniel and Scott are curating the front page in the way the thanks in this thread suggest. I am still of the impression that the front page composition is decided by upvotes, downvotes, and flags. Contrary to the implication in this repos’ text.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by hobofan »

TheCoreh wrote: post #36
a12k wrote: post #3

Looking at the list of removed stories makes me really happy with the moderators here. They're all sensationalist, advertising for some company, clickbait, way off topic, or some combination of above. In fact, I don't see a single story that I personally feel should not have been removed. Thanks, mods.

At a quick glance, I found several that don't match that criteria you mention, here are a few: Open Source Doesn't Require Providing Builds https://codeengineered.com/blog/2024/open-source-not-builds/ Sam Altman Says AI Using Too Much Energy Will Require Breakthrough Energy Source https://futurism.com/sam-altman-energy-breakthrough Avoid Async Rust at All Cost https://blog.hugpoint.tech/avoid_async_rust.html (Perhaps…

The last story is so full of outdated and misinformation that I tried to find out whether it was written a few years ago (though it would have still been full of misinformation back then).

I suspect that it has been flagged for that reason by multiple people.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by elpocko »

TheCoreh wrote: post #36
a12k wrote: post #3

Looking at the list of removed stories makes me really happy with the moderators here. They're all sensationalist, advertising for some company, clickbait, way off topic, or some combination of above. In fact, I don't see a single story that I personally feel should not have been removed. Thanks, mods.

At a quick glance, I found several that don't match that criteria you mention, here are a few: Open Source Doesn't Require Providing Builds https://codeengineered.com/blog/2024/open-source-not-builds/ Sam Altman Says AI Using Too Much Energy Will Require Breakthrough Energy Source https://futurism.com/sam-altman-energy-breakthrough Avoid Async Rust at All Cost https://blog.hugpoint.tech/avoid_async_rust.html (Perhaps…

The things you see on HN are not purely decided by the community. Mods can and do "freeze" the vote count on comments and posts, and do other non-obvious things too. You will notice the effect after participating for a while.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by kjkjadksj »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #41
lars_francke wrote: post #10

> While I have no reason to doubt Daniel's good faith, it's hard to believe that HN users would be tired of LLM-related news. I am, so you can believe it. But: I don't flag things that I'm tired of.

If I could, I'd hibernate until such time as I didn't have to hear about generative AI anymore.

It took about 10 years for the crypto headline hysteria to taper but it might have been only because ai is now the big annoying thing to shoehorn into everything. Monkeys pawl will curl and you will emerge out of your hibernation to more disgust at whatever the next annoying thing will be.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by Zak »

TheCoreh wrote: post #36
a12k wrote: post #3

Looking at the list of removed stories makes me really happy with the moderators here. They're all sensationalist, advertising for some company, clickbait, way off topic, or some combination of above. In fact, I don't see a single story that I personally feel should not have been removed. Thanks, mods.

At a quick glance, I found several that don't match that criteria you mention, here are a few: Open Source Doesn't Require Providing Builds https://codeengineered.com/blog/2024/open-source-not-builds/ Sam Altman Says AI Using Too Much Energy Will Require Breakthrough Energy Source https://futurism.com/sam-altman-energy-breakthrough Avoid Async Rust at All Cost https://blog.hugpoint.tech/avoid_async_rust.html (Perhaps…

Two out of three currently aren't removed. There's no moderator comment on the third, but a fair number of upvotes and user comments; I think it was flagged by users.

Open Source Doesn't Require Providing Builds

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39094387

Sam Altman Says AI Using Too Much Energy Will Require Breakthrough Energy Source

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39095738

Avoid Async Rust at All Cost (flagged)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39102078

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