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Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Post by thomastjeffery »

aantix wrote: post #31

This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…

> so that we can override their curiosity and say "OK, learn something else today."

I'm not sure you even noticed the question you just presented: "what something?"

If you can find a meaningful answer to that question, I suspect it will resolve your problem without help.

As a rule of thumb, any solution that boils down to "stop" will be practically impossible to implement. A more tractable solution is usually along the lines of "do this instead".

Something that could be really valuable here is a competitor to YouTube's algorithm. Copyright makes that difficult, because YouTube is in a legally enforced position to monopolize their library/metadata.

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Post by rand1239 »

grotorea wrote: post #48
orenlindsey wrote: post #6

Kind of reveals how we have designed television - to keep you watching forever.

Maybe someday the AI will be clever enough to predict the plotlines and get bored.

Why? You know the plotline of your life as well. You will become old, suffer and die at the end. Are you bored?

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Post by vik0 »

aantix wrote: post #45
ok123456 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok has this switch. There's a STEM mode in the user settings that will only show you educational content on your algorithmic stream.

I would LOVE this feature for my kids.

You would voluntarily subject your kids to short-form media consumerism?

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Post by jhardy54 »

dimatura wrote: post #34
gunshai wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems highly suseptible to what a human might consider irrelevant randomness. Given random images just shuffling indefinitely a curious individual will just give up and say, even though I can't predict the next thing it doesn't pertain to the domain of curiosity.

Right, that's why the "noisy TV problem" is a "problem" - it makes the simple model of curiosity used in the research less effective, because it causes agents to get stuck watching TV instead of exploring and advancing in the game, which is what we'd want them to do. (Though this does seem somewhat reminiscent of certain human behaviors...). One possible solution is to equip agents with a more expressive predictive m…

First thing that popped into my head: “interesting randomness” is when you can’t predict future frames, but [within some interval] you gain that ability.

Static on the TV is random but uninteresting, whereas morse code is “random” at first, but after enough exposure can be understood and predicted.

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Post by [deleted] »

willsmith72 wrote: post #47
baq wrote: post #43

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> If any Youtube engineers are reading, please give us (the parents) more control! Unfortunately, this won't happen. No number go up, no change. Noone will get promoted for this. Not the PM: number won't go up. Not the dev: number won't go up. Neither the director nor the VP: number won't go up. It's really like opium - until the regulators come in, nothing will change as numbers must go up. The free market libertari…

it will eventually apple, youtube, google, amazon made their bacon by being user-centric and generating huge value. now they're busy capturing value you can only capture for so long without generating

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Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Post by aantix »

vik0 wrote: post #53
aantix wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would LOVE this feature for my kids.

You would voluntarily subject your kids to short-form media consumerism?

There's amazing short-form video content out there that piques my curiosity and motivates me to learn more.

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Post by aantix »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #51
aantix wrote: post #31

This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…

> so that we can override their curiosity and say "OK, learn something else today." I'm not sure you even noticed the question you just presented: "what something?" If you can find a meaningful answer to that question, I suspect it will resolve your problem without help. As a rule of thumb, any solution that boils down to "stop" will be practically impossible to implement. A more tractable solution is usually along t…

I'd be more than willing to curate on behalf of my children.

Or delegate their recommendations to only a select series of educational YouTube channels.

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Post by gary_0 »

Dxtros wrote: post #38

This reminds me of the murder bot book series by Martha Wells. The main character (an advanced ai robot) started really enjoying human media and even used media as a bargaining chip to work with other bots. One striking moment was when the main character was discussing a rogue and violent robot with a transport bot. “ART said, What does it want? To kill all the humans, I answered. I could feel ART metaphorically clut…

Curiosity as a safeguard is an interesting thought. An AI might be disinclined to kill all humans for whatever reason if it considers the result boring. On the other hand, maybe it would also want to force humans to be more interesting for its own entertainment...

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Post by thfuran »

Dxtros wrote: post #38

This reminds me of the murder bot book series by Martha Wells. The main character (an advanced ai robot) started really enjoying human media and even used media as a bargaining chip to work with other bots. One striking moment was when the main character was discussing a rogue and violent robot with a transport bot. “ART said, What does it want? To kill all the humans, I answered. I could feel ART metaphorically clut…

>Would implementing curiosity in a sentient AI act as a safeguard possibly?

Unless it gets curious about the variety of sounds humans make when you vivisect them or something else you'd prefer not be rigorously investigated.

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Post by basil-rash »

aantix wrote: post #49
aantix wrote: post #31

This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…

I actually researched writing a proxy that would intercept and rewrite Youtube's JSON API responses with pre-selected, educational videos. This is how much I hate their recommendation algorithm. That way, the Youtube app appears to work the same. It's just that those videos that are blacklisted in the recommendation response, e.g. all the videos with the word 'minecraft' in the title, would be replaced with Youtube s…

FWIW if you embed the youtube player on your own site you can point it to any video you want, and control all the recommendations you display alongside it. As a happy bonus, ads don't play on embedded viewers.
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