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Infinite Craft

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Re: Infinite Craft

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Post by niceice »

f1nlay wrote: post #15

Was working on the very same idea alongside a friend of mine, we happened to launch a few weeks ago. Quite a lot more fleshed out than Neal's version, if anyone wants to check it out! https://allchemy.io/ Edit: sorry if anyone is bumping into errors! We're running into bottlenecks with our supposedly auto-scaling database - working on it

Good work! What kind of traction are you getting on the premium version? That approach is sensible given the underlying costs. Would love to get an idea of how it worked out in practice.

Re: Infinite Craft

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

baq wrote: post #87

Bug report: I got to 'Mega Mega Mega Mega Mega Mega Mega Mega Mega Mega' and it can't be combined with anything

I believe most LLM APIs prevent you from repeating (or asking to repeat) identical words. It's in ChatGPT's TOS (because it seems to occassional lead to revealing original training text).

Either that or the backend is completely overloaded and/or unable to handle more than ten of somethings.

Re: Infinite Craft

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Post by magneticnorth »

digging wrote: post #19

Games like this already exist and have comparable complexity, so calling it infinite and using an LLM backend feels overhyped. For example, Castle + Fortress = Castle? City + Town = Castle. Castle + Wall = City? Metropolis + City = Megalopolis. Ok we're getting somewhere cool here, let's see how big it gets: Megalopolis + City = Metropolis?! Finally, it just failed to combine War + Tunnel. It blinks for a minute and…

I mean, there are only a finite number of words in the English language, so of course something like this isn't truly infinite.

But I've wandered off into a space of fantastical creatures: rainbow + explosion = unicorn, from there I've gotten phoenix, "steam unicorn", narwhalicorn.

Others have gotten into food items? I don't even know how I'd get there. And you've gotten into infrastructure and war.

There's enough to explore here that I'm ok with it being called infinite.

Re: Infinite Craft

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Post by hombre_fatal »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #119
hinkley wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forest + fire = smoke Mud + water = swamp Swamp + plant = Venus Flytrap Okay, okay. Venus Flytrap + Smoke = smoke detector

Tree + Water = river was also pretty baffling. Unfortunate. I can see the appeal of using an LLM for this but the results are pretty mediocre.

Meh, what would be your great response to Tree + Water?

A human can only generate a small fraction of the combinations and would have a hard time coming up with most combinations which are already nonsensical.

What is your non-disappointing idea for, idk, Tears + Pottery (AI: Bowl) or Money + Salt Lick (AI: Cow) or Skull + Lake (AI: Loch Ness) or Dracula + Pirate (AI: Vampirate) or Curse + Money (AI: Debt)? Now do that thousands of more times.

The infinite aspect is the thing that keeps it interesting, I think. The fun is getting a new, weird result like "Dracula" and "Pot of Gold" and seeing if you can generate new weird results from the existing set.

Re: Infinite Craft

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Post by ActionHank »

hinkley wrote: post #93
madeofpalk wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahh, neat application of it. Explains the somewhat dubious combinations I was seeing.

Forest + fire = smoke Mud + water = swamp Swamp + plant = Venus Flytrap Okay, okay. Venus Flytrap + Smoke = smoke detector

Megalopolis + Volcano = Pompeii

Re: Infinite Craft

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Post by IshKebab »

leroman wrote: post #63
smarkov wrote: post #9

I couldn't find any information but does this use some kind of LLM to derive the combinations from? It makes a request to the backend every time you combine items which sometimes takes >500ms, and also supports some really wild combinations that I highly doubt someone has taken the time to come up with. It would also explain why the icons are emoji's, it would be fairly trivial to ask ChatGPT to give you the result o…

I thought they were using some kind of vector space searches like embedding.. no idea if that's the case

Yeah I'm pretty sure you could do this just with the classic word embeddings (king =queen + man - woman). Maybe it doesn't work as well as with a full LLM.

Re: Infinite Craft

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Post by gloosx »

This shows quite well that AI has zero common sense whatsoever, the results of most combinations I made are just nonsense. The associations are really vague and to me it is not interesting at all to look at random pictures and words appearing out of totally unrelated stuff. I really like man-made alchemy games though where all combinations are pre-defined and actually feel right.
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