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Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by mynameisvlad »

kccqzy wrote: post #285
mynameisvlad wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the ability to walk around the room and place different open Safari windows and apps around my physical space as I think and study some new topic This seems like a perfectly reasonable task and why it is useful.

GP has said > I plan to use it with a keyboard and mouse anyway And judging from reviews this seems required for productivity. I cannot imagine walking around the room with one hand holding a keyboard and another holding a mouse. Maybe they need to sell a contraption that straps a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to your body so much you can move around hands free?

Just because you don't see a use case doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

The original comment explained perfectly well how they would use it. If that use case suits them, then its their prerogative. This gatekeeping of use cases is so odd; why does it matter so much how someone else uses the device?

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by renhanxue »

bombcar wrote: post #16
Topfi wrote: post #6

This is a very in-depth, informative and factual review. My hats off to the Verge; great job. I have racked up hours upon hours of actual, productive work in my Quest 2 and 3, so to say that I am a big proponent of the ideas that Apple is trying to advance would be an understatement. This makes me all the more disheartened to read that, for all their efforts, this release is mired by the same drawbacks that I have en…

The whole thing feels very ... "original xbox" to me. Hear me out. It was argued that a big part of the original xbox for Microsoft was making sure they had a toehold in the gaming console market because that market had a change of disrupting the personal computer - and if that happened, they wanted to be there for it and have something ready to go. They did something similar with phones, and we can see how it specta…

> just in case this VR stuff takes off

I think the last few years have pretty conclusively proven that there is no VR train to miss. It remains mainly a novelty (with some niche uses) and none of its fundamental issues have been resolved.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by iwontberude »

tsunamifury wrote: post #259
oatmeal1 wrote: post #55

> Apple is so incredibly capable, stocked with talent, and loaded with resources that the company simply went out and engineered the hell out of the hardest problems it could think of in order to find a challenge. That’s good! I think they knew before halfway through that it was not possible to build a practical product, but Apple thinks it's important to stay relevant and appear innovative, so they went along and bu…

I was told Jony Ive personally quit over this project. He felt it was fundamentally wrong, and the first product Apple made post Jobs that directly contradicted the vision of the company. And not in a Porsche shouldn't make an SUV sort of way -- rather on the way out he shared some pretty well articulated moral issues with the product and how Jobs would release buggy products, but rarely fundamentally flawed ones. Th…

Are you so sure? Have you seen this video where Steve Jobs describes Vision Pro-like capability as inevitable and positive? https://www.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1acubbl/steve_jo...

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by fzzzy »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #269
smaccona wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I do is buy a smart TV, never connect it to the network (thus making it a dumb TV), and plug an Apple TV (or other devices) into it. So far, this has worked - I haven't seen any ads from the TV itself (the apps running on the Apple TV are another story), and it can't phone home about what I'm watching or otherwise doing with the TV.

> and it can't phone home about what I'm watching or otherwise doing with the TV Are you sure? The old idea of giving TVs built-in cellular backup connection is probably still too risky/expensive - dealing with people extracting and repurposing the SIM card with a free (for them) data plan is a hassle. But what about eSIM ?

put a faraday cage around your house lol

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by chillacy »

soniman wrote: post #277

Is the DOD buying these? I can see soldiers using these as enhanced night vision goggles. No need to look at a map with a flashlight or bring a computer.

In case anyone else finds this interesting, the DOD has night vision goggles which have nearly-zero latency (all analog), amplify much better than digital cameras, and emit very little external light (hard to spot by adversaries).

This veritasium video at 12:00 shows how these goggles work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeJHAFjwPM

That said I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the DOD was buying them for general tech exploration though.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by kccqzy »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #291
kccqzy wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP has said > I plan to use it with a keyboard and mouse anyway And judging from reviews this seems required for productivity. I cannot imagine walking around the room with one hand holding a keyboard and another holding a mouse. Maybe they need to sell a contraption that straps a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to your body so much you can move around hands free?

Just because you don't see a use case doesn't mean one doesn't exist. The original comment explained perfectly well how they would use it. If that use case suits them, then its their prerogative. This gatekeeping of use cases is so odd; why does it matter so much how someone else uses the device?

Just because I don't see a use case doesn't mean I'm unilaterally stating a use case doesn't exist.

I'm simply stating my opinion as to why this device doesn't suit me; to be more precise I'm stating why somebody else's use case is not my use case. Why do you assume my comment is supposed to generalize to everybody's use cases?

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by dansalvato »

monkeynotes wrote: post #29

I think this is like a modern example of the Apple Newton in the sense it's impressive, has uses, but it too soon to be widely adopted. I think this device will flounder, early adopters will struggle to make full use of it because of all the compromises. Take it on the plane? Why? It will run out of power in 1-2 hrs (if you remembered the full charge before you board). Lugging all that bulk just for a movie on the pl…

> I wonder what Jobs would have done.

I think every "new paradigm" Apple product had similar growing pains. The Mac launched with only 128kb RAM, the iPhone lacked basic functionality and ditched physical keyboards, and the iPad was "just a big iPod". Also, in all cases, there was no software for them at launch.

Every time, we seem to ask "What is this good for?" or "How will this ever be good when it has these fundamental limitations?" But then, a few years down, it's suddenly commonplace, even indispensable.

I think that like the new paradigms before it, it's hard to imagine a clear future for this product. But they always seem to find their way after Apple gets them out the door. Not saying I'm convinced there will be a headset in every home, but I think the "spatial computing" paradigm is far more likely to find a path forward than it is to die.

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Post by rpmisms »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #265
whamlastxmas wrote: post #173

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Same for me but there was a single sentence that more than halved my interest in buying this: you can’t have multiple floating windows of MacOS. It’s all in one single floating window. This is by far the biggest flaw for me, and a really stupid one. Hopefully a software update changes this

VSCode native app when

If it uses the Mac as a devserver, probably really soon.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by dansalvato »

crakhamster01 wrote: post #208

If I'm an executive at Meta, I'm not sure whether I should be happy or sad reading this review. By all accounts, Apple is at least 5 years ahead of Meta in terms of hardware. With all of Apple's compute/display tech, and at 8-9x the price point of Quest, it still seems like the Vision Pro falls short of delivering the breakthrough experience needed to make AR/VR mass market. Not to mention that it still doesn't seem…

One thing I find with Apple devices is that they have an ecosystem of extremely passionate developers, and all their other "new paradigm" platforms also initially shipped with no software (Mac, iPhone, iPad). The mainstream usage of these devices is really based on what developers built for them in the first couple years after release, not the use cases Apple tried to sell us on.

The shortcomings and skepticism surrounding the AVP is pretty reminiscent of the above examples' own initial releases. Unless AVP is an exception to the rule, I think both the hardware and the software will start to get extremely good over the next few years. But that is unavoidably predicated by a flawed gen 1 being released.

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