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Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by pmontra »

monkeynotes wrote: post #29

I think this is like a modern example of the Apple Newton in the sense it's impressive, has uses, but it too soon to be widely adopted. I think this device will flounder, early adopters will struggle to make full use of it because of all the compromises. Take it on the plane? Why? It will run out of power in 1-2 hrs (if you remembered the full charge before you board). Lugging all that bulk just for a movie on the pl…

> what couple has $7k to drop so they can watch TV together

Together and alone at the same time. Eye contact and unhindered vision of the face of a partner are important things.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by ninkendo »

PKop wrote: post #148
ninkendo wrote: post #125

I ordered mine on day one and it'll get here Friday. I work from home and intend to use it at my desk for (1) a bigger display for my mac and (2) native apps for things like Slack/video conferencing/notes/imessage/etc and hopefully I can have a productive environment with it. I figure it'll be cool to work at a national park or on the moon or some such, and to have more real estate to put my apps. I plan to use my ph…

I don't see a virtual screen being as nice or productive as an Apple Pro XDR for actually doing computer work. Too many layers between your eyes and the pixels, and then all the drawbacks like weight and finicky input glitches.

The vision pro is far cheaper than an Apple Pro XDR, and input glitches shouldn't be a problem as I'm using a physical mouse and keyboard. Plus I get to add additional apps outside the screen if visionOS natively supports them (Slack, email, and iMessage are good examples. Plus the web browser can be a native app. You can seamlessly move your mouse/keyboard between them and copy/paste too.)

The weight is definitely on the "let's see how big of a deal this becomes" list though.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by _xnmw »

This review confirmed this is exactly what I need. I don’t care about my hair messing up, I work from home. I don’t care if the display doesn’t look as good as reality, that was never my expectation anyway. The display just needs to look good enough to work with fine text and hi-res images. I don’t care if it’s too heavy to wear for hours at a time, I always work in 25 minute blocks anyway. Breaks are good. I don’t care if personas look creepy, Zoom virtual backgrounds are also creepy. I don’t care if the eye/hand tracking isn’t up to par for “serious” work, I plan to use it with a keyboard and mouse anyway (at least while working, not in entertainment/writing mode). Every single “fault” which this reviewer mentioned doesn’t matter to me, I was never expecting this device to replace reality for me anyway.

What I want is, the ability to have large displays laid back on my bed/couch, and the ability to walk around the room and place different open Safari windows and apps around my physical space as I think and study some new topic. That’s all. The new virtual world stuff is just a cute addition for me, it’s not what I am buying it for. I am buying this thing to have an infinite number of screens placed anywhere in my space, and that’s all I wanted.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by Someone »

nox101 wrote: post #106
PaulHoule wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good analysis. Part of it too is that Apple feels pressure to do something innovative. They made some big bets in the 2000s that paid off very well but a company that has a hit like the iPhone becomes profoundly conservative. The trouble is that there aren't many market opportunities bigger than smartphones, there's a possible iCar and an iHouse and that's about it. Apple's worst fear might be being successful as a n…

I wonder if an iTV would sell. All mondern smart tvs are covered in ads and spying. monitors of similar sizes cost 3x to 4x. so to me there might be a market for a non spying iTV with bultin Apple TV for say 1.5x. Or not, not sure enough people care about those issues.

I think a problem with TVs for Apple is that they’d be under pressure to build them in a zillion different sizes. That’s not in their DNA.

A good beamer might be more fitting for them; they would only have to build them in ‘small’, ‘medium’ and ‘large’.

In either case, like you I’m not sure the market is large enough for a company of Apple’s size and DNA (it’s unlikely that they’ll try to find not one huge next big hit, but lots and lots of smaller ones. They’re not Ikea)

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by GeekyBear »

htk wrote: post #142
GeekyBear wrote: post #37

Some other early reviews that are up: CNET - Apple Vision Pro Review: A Mind-Blowing Look at an Unfinished Future https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/apple-vision-pro-review-... WSJ - Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset Yet Is Just a Glimpse of the Future https://www.wsj.com/tech/apple-vision-pro-review-39f2d82e?mo... Tom's Hardware - Apple Vision Pro review: A revolution in progress https://www.tomsguide.com/c…

It's interesting to see a common theme of "It's great, but not there yet."

Can you think of examples where a company starts making a product in a new category and nails it on the first iteration?

Experience shows that they will keep on iterating on it year after year.

The thing I was most interested in was if they could nail an intuitive UI right from the outset.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by pmontra »

swozey wrote: post #101
spywaregorilla wrote: post #87

> The goal is for the Vision Pro to be a complete device that can sit right alongside the Mac and the iPad in Apple’s ecosystem of devices and let you get real work done. You can use Excel and Webex and Slack in the Vision Pro, and you can also sit back and watch movies and TV shows on a gigantic virtual 4K HDR display. And you can mirror your Mac’s display and just use the Vision Pro to look at a huge monitor floati…

That's like when I visit a friend who is an accountant and they're working on a laptop in the kitchen 8 hours a day, and I just.. "that's your whole office? You aren't miserable? You can work like that?" I would riot without my 49", mouse and kbs, and aeron.

Everybody has very different subjective preferences and is subject to somewhat objective tradeoffs. I worked in two different places of my house today, with the same laptop. One location when the sun heated up an external room with no heating, another location in a heated room before and after then. I couldn't do that if I had to move around a large monitor, a mouse and a keyboard: too much troubles. I didn't move my chair, that stays in the main working location for the period of the year.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by LeafItAlone »

pivo wrote: post #10

Oh boy: "Listen to me, do you want to use a computer that is always looking at your hands?" It took a second for that warning to sink in.

I’d wager most people take their phones in into the bathroom with them and use them on the toilet. I’ve even seen people on video calls in public restrooms!

I honestly don’t think the general public is all that concerned.

(But I am)

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by surfingdino »

I guess Apple had to do Vision Pro to make investors shut up, but I have a feeling it will be the next Pippin or Lisa. Apple does exceedingly well when there already is a growing mass market and they can offer something "better". Home computers (Apple II), PCs (Macintosh), smartphones (iPhone), tablets (iPad). They don't always succeed, e.g. servers, gaming consoles. There isn't a growing mass market for heavy and expensive VR headsets. And as the review states, their AR may be best in class, but it is still lacking. Ultimately, I don't know what question/need does Apple Vision Pro answer? Anyone has an idea?

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by s3p »

chris-orgmenta wrote: post #68
Topfi wrote: post #6

This is a very in-depth, informative and factual review. My hats off to the Verge; great job. I have racked up hours upon hours of actual, productive work in my Quest 2 and 3, so to say that I am a big proponent of the ideas that Apple is trying to advance would be an understatement. This makes me all the more disheartened to read that, for all their efforts, this release is mired by the same drawbacks that I have en…

Sorry for the slight tangent, but: What's the current state of VR&AR Headset friction / boot time? This is what I expected Apple to solve first. With VR/AR headsets, the friction to 'boot in' seems to be one of the biggest problems in adoption, and one that I feel Meta et al don't openly talk about. (Note, I am ignorant of this field in general). How close are we to seamless, quick boot, such that one puts on a heads…

Having used a Quest 2 and owning a Quest 3 personally I can tell you the delay is essentially zero. It takes 2-3 sec to get the headset fully secured around your head, and the Quest will wake up the very moment it starts to get moved. That's part of the reason it annoys me so much-- just moving the controllers will wake it up, even if it's sitting on my desk.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by LeafItAlone »

poulpy123 wrote: post #84
poulpy123 wrote: post #82

I'm sure apple will manage to sell it by the millions, but both the price and the lock-in in the apple ecosystem are a no for me

well maybe not millions but "a lot"

Supposedly they’ve already sold ~200k. Before release. Before reviews of it.

That’s still a far cry from “millions” (plural), but I wouldn’t be surprised.

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