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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I find it very confusing that this is supposed to be new knowledge. Shouldn't the correlation bewtween CO2 concentration and greenhouse effect been researched and simulated to death by now?

TFA explains this. As models got better and CO2 rose more and more it was realized that the old models lacked important aspects of cloud reflectivity.

But now it is finally settled? Or are we in for large corrections of the models in future?

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

This is an illusion. There is no safe place, you can’t escape the reality of global warming by moving to another place.

While you may be technically true, it is obviously clear that some places are far safer than others, and moving to another place will have a very high impact on how global warming affects you, as some regions will be affected much more harshly than others. At the extreme, some places may be underwater or otherwise uninhabitable, but if you can afford to, moving away from them in a timely manner, you can escape being forced to do so at a time when doing so may be much harder.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Okay, but what now?

Prepare for mid-size nations near the equator to launch stratosphere aerosol injection programs against the will of the rest of the world and be party to the largest experiment humans will ever conduct.

Or Silicon Valley start ups that have already declared intent to do so and begun small scale injections already:

https://makesunsets.com/

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Huh, OP doesn't strike me as a conservative- quite the opposite, given their fearful lamenting of an alleged "rightwards shift". > Not support, but prevent. Well, supporting one obv. meaning preventing the other..

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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There was massive concerted effort to stop acid rain and ozone depletion. Maybe we should try that for the climate crisis if we want similar success at preventing catastrophe.

Amazing how the ozone hole repaired itself despite China releasing thousands of tons of CFCs. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/23/china-factorie...

The article doesn’t seem to support your claim.

“After the ban came into force, global concentrations of CFC-11 declined steadily until about 2012. However, last year scientists discovered the pace of that slowdown slowed by half between 2013 and 2017. Because the chemical is not naturally occurring, the change could only have been produced by new emissions.”

“If emissions do not decline, it will delay the recovery of the Antarctic ozone hole, possibly for decades”

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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> We had OG Einstein and Mozart and Erdős Oh good, we don't ever need any more then. /s > Ideally we'll level out at 6 billion or so. I doubt there's any single ideal population size, because the impact of each individual varies so widely. In the future, when we're all living 100% solar powered regenerative net-carbon-negative lives, the problem will be that there aren't enough people to offset warming caused by volc…

> Oh good, we don't ever need any more then. /s Always handy, the point (lean back, look up) is we don't need 80 billion as a prerequisite to have more - that's a weak (to be generous) argument. > I doubt there's any single ideal population size, .. It's bounded by an upper limit of humans living like turkeys in a turkey farm and tossing the weak in the chipper to blend back in with the feed . . . is that your ideal…

> we don't need 80 billion as a prerequisite to have more

Your claim, unproven. My point is that 80 billions souls will produce 80 billions souls worth of art, science, literature, and culture. Which sounds divine. Why would you be opposed to such a thing if it can be accomplished sustainably?

> It's bounded by an upper limit of humans living like turkeys in a turkey farm and tossing the weak in the chipper to blend back in with the feed

Seems that you have a dark turn of mind, which explains the pessimism.

> What is the argument for pushing human population to 80 billion, and at what cost does that come in terms of human living standards and the other non human life we share the planet with?

Humans have lived regeneratively and sustainably in the past. We seem to be in the process of figuring out how to do it in a less labor intensive manner presently. I do my part to live sustainably, and I believe in humanity's ability to innovate and adapt and to address complex problems. Seems like you feel differently.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

Electricity prices did not go negative because of nuclear.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

If shit hits the fan everywhere else but North Europe remains safe - will it be business as usual there? Won't hundreds of millions of people (or more) from India, China and Africa flee to to wherever is safe?

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Medical condition gave me a built-in vasectomy, and my wife and I tried IVF (getting the sperm out without a vas deferens wasn't a fun surgery, FWIW) but it wasn't successful. You're welcome.

Yes, for me it's because of childrens' rights, I don't want my kids to potentially go through what I went through, including the soul crushing compulsory education system. I feel that natural learning is so much superior, if you can encourage and cultivate it. Coercion destroys the fun in learning and it teaches us how to procrastinate very well indeed. Treat people like slaves, and what do you expect? You get poor p…

This sounds to me like you're extrapolating your own experience and generalizing it to the whole population, when in truth you are likely to be an outlier: most kids do fine in school (and always have), and most home schooled people find it harder to contribute meaningfully to society (due to less exposure to socialization opportunities and poorer education).

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Recently I survived covid exponential deaths apocalypse and Al Gore's sea levels rising in 2016.

Covid was no joke, 3 million people died despite the entire world grinding to a halt and hiding in their houses for months. Sea levels are up 10 cm since Gore was VP and it's accelerating.

61 milion people died in 2023 with and without covid. Al Gore predicted 20ft by 2016 not 10cm.
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