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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by jesterson »

cies wrote: post #295
jongjong wrote: post #268

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> Government money printing has created a huge number of bullshit jobs. I dont know if there is a causal relation, but both are rampant. For me the worst is how hollow the word "science" has become. I refer to the old law-based science as "natural or hard science" nowadays. And all climate models (on a highly complex open system that is the earth) are not hard science. Also virology side-stepped Koch's postulate on i…

It’s just a part of proliferating corruption and stupidity into all areas of life, science included.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by LightBug1 »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #328

I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

"Self recommending! Come to Finland and help us build a stronger democracy, whatever that means to you. "

How are you finding life as an enviromental migrant?

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by qayxc »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #343
hnmullany wrote: post #327

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Climate change is a catastrophe, but it's not going to be the apocalypse and if we keep working on mititgation, there is a good chance it will merely be a "normal" scale disaster. For example - it's possible that tundra methane emissions in many areas could be mitigated relatively quickly by the regrowth of birch and pine scrubland whose increased evapotranspiration will reduce water tables and eliminate methane emis…

What was that story about a frog which was slowly boiled in a pot and didn't know it about it until it was too late? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7069279/

Funny how everyone always leaves out the part where in the original experiment, said frog's brain was removed before putting it in the pot :)

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by layer8 »

donum wrote: post #341
kleiba wrote: post #156

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The whole Western world has shifted rightwards in recent years as can be witnessed in election results.

The whole Western world? It seems mostly men, not women: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1ac0...

The fact that those charts show Germany leaning considerably more conservative than the US makes me skeptical of their methodology.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by cuu508 »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #343
hnmullany wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change is a catastrophe, but it's not going to be the apocalypse and if we keep working on mititgation, there is a good chance it will merely be a "normal" scale disaster. For example - it's possible that tundra methane emissions in many areas could be mitigated relatively quickly by the regrowth of birch and pine scrubland whose increased evapotranspiration will reduce water tables and eliminate methane emis…

What was that story about a frog which was slowly boiled in a pot and didn't know it about it until it was too late? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7069279/

Maybe we can stretch the metaphor to a number of frogs in the pot, and the frogs need to work collectively to escape the pot. It is hotter in the middle of the pot, the frogs there are already in the panic, while the frogs at the sides are like "I sincerely hope you get the help you need. You dont have to feel like that."

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by defrost »

timschmidt wrote: post #378
defrost wrote: post #371

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> There's a lot of room left for densifying human civilization. Seems like 10x should be achievable. Why? Why isn't 8 billion enough? Is there a plastic ring prize if we hit 80 billion? Or are you talking about squeezing the 8 billion we have now closer together?

People have children for lots of reasons. I'm probably not qualified to list them all, but I expect that people will not stop any time soon. Seems that they enjoy the process. Perhaps consider that those 80 billion souls will contain Einsteins and Mozarts.

We had OG Einstein and Mozart and Erdős and many others before we hit 5 billion.

People are having fewer children, as living conditions, education, and acces to TV increases the reproduction rate falls.

Ideally we'll level out at 6 billion or so.

You haven't given any good reason why the earth should squeeze as many upright aquatic apes on it as possible yet.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by jesterson »

CalRobert wrote: post #210
alexvoda wrote: post #140

@dang Is it just my impression that HN is drifting rigtwards on this topic? I remember HN being more in favour of proactive action against anthropic climate change. This thread feels dominated by attitudes reflecting inaction.

I notice a surprising unwillingness to consider that the situation may be, in fact, terrible, and the arguments are usually "well changing lifestyles is impractical" at though the current status quo is sustainable.

May be, in fact terrible, ot may be, in fact, absolutely normal.

Those are emotional definitions having absolutely nothing in common with the situation

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Post by moffkalast »

slaw wrote: post #340
jhoechtl wrote: post #249

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I am glad that I survived oil outage, sour rain, the Ozone hole, mass famine because of overpopulation. All in a lifetime. I must have had sheer luck.

Recently I survived covid exponential deaths apocalypse and Al Gore's sea levels rising in 2016.

Covid was no joke, 3 million people died despite the entire world grinding to a halt and hiding in their houses for months. Sea levels are up 10 cm since Gore was VP and it's accelerating.

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Post by jesterson »

andbberger wrote: post #173
konschubert wrote: post #161

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Im not dang but I would like to share a hypothesis why this maybe isn’t so terrible. The thing that always stood between the world and climate action was the fact that fossil fuels were the best energy source. Since a few years, the tables have turned and solar seems to be marching towards absolute dominance. So there isn’t much to do in terms of political climate action, since the incentives are now mostly economica…

> The thing that always stood between the world and climate action was the fact that fossil fuels were the best energy source. this has not been true since 1951

What’s not true? Fossil fuels are and will be the best energy source for a long while.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by evandijk70 »

hnmullany wrote: post #327
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #145

I no longer worry. I'm extremely pessimistic about the impending climate change. I believe Sabine isn't pessimistic enough about what to anticipate. Consider the tundra methane emissions and the explosive release of methane-hydrates from the oceans, along with water vapor, a potent greenhouse gas. The disaster looming over all ecosystems (a mass extinction event) that will happen in decades and the doom-phase could l…

Climate change is a catastrophe, but it's not going to be the apocalypse and if we keep working on mititgation, there is a good chance it will merely be a "normal" scale disaster. For example - it's possible that tundra methane emissions in many areas could be mitigated relatively quickly by the regrowth of birch and pine scrubland whose increased evapotranspiration will reduce water tables and eliminate methane emis…

Not a biologist, but won't the tropical amphibians migrate away from the equator? It seems to me that polar bears and penguins have bigger problems
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