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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by Modified3019 »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #84
kkfx wrote: post #81

My personal take, witch I call a rational one: - I choose for MANY reasons, climate is one of them, not the topmost but still one of them, to leave a big city toward the mountains, choosing a place locally hydrogeologically stable (meaning no landslide can reach my home, no flood as well, nothing tall enough to fall onto it and so on); - I still IGNORE both the climate change and the climate "deniers" narrative becau…

>I still IGNORE both the climate change and the climate "deniers" narrative because I consider both PROPAGANDA. I choose to ignore the majority of experts in the field as well as the people on facebook equally! I'm so enlightened!

Please consider whether this type of post raises or detracts from the quality of the culture here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

>Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

>Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by konschubert »

Cwizard wrote: post #202
vasco wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> When you're dead 25 feels the same as a few million years from what I was told. Not if you have children.

And the happiness of your children is affected if they know that their children will die from climate change. And so on, transitively.

It’s a beautiful thing that kids give you: a sense of purpose that extends below your own lifetime.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by bagels »

vasco wrote: post #181
mytailorisrich wrote: post #157

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The issue is the global population. Obviously, that's the metric that matters for global issues like the climate and environment. The global population is still increasing. Furthermore, as poor countries develop this is compounded by increased consumption (both resources and energy) per capita. In that respect, "richest 1% account for more emissions than poorest 66%" should be interpreted as very worrying when the po…

I never understand this argument of overpopulation. How can you be OK with reducing population but at the same time worry about global warming? To have that position you basically need to reconcile two positions that to me aren't really compatible, unless someone explains it to me. Either it's fine for Earth to not have humans and just exist peacefully with the rest of the ecosystem until another lifeform takes over.…

There will be less people in the future if people reproduce at less than replacement rate. You don't have to have them killed, they will die eventually.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by oezi »

jansan wrote: post #196
efitz wrote: post #46

TL;DR Climate models are showing that a parameter (ECS aka “climate sensitivity”) has been increasing since 2019. This parameter determines how much temperature increase can be expected if atmospheric CO2 doubles.

I find it very confusing that this is supposed to be new knowledge. Shouldn't the correlation bewtween CO2 concentration and greenhouse effect been researched and simulated to death by now?

TFA explains this. As models got better and CO2 rose more and more it was realized that the old models lacked important aspects of cloud reflectivity.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by peterashford »

jansan wrote: post #196
efitz wrote: post #46

TL;DR Climate models are showing that a parameter (ECS aka “climate sensitivity”) has been increasing since 2019. This parameter determines how much temperature increase can be expected if atmospheric CO2 doubles.

I find it very confusing that this is supposed to be new knowledge. Shouldn't the correlation bewtween CO2 concentration and greenhouse effect been researched and simulated to death by now?

did you watch the video?

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by lozenge »

guyomes wrote: post #214
127361 wrote: post #45

It's taboo to say this, but people worldwide have had far too many children, and I believe that overpopulation is the root of the sustainability crisis, including climate change and pollution. And that taboo is probably rooted in evolutionary psychology, people have a genetically driven tendency to criticize those who advocate having less children? So could there be an instinctual drive behind it? https://www.flashpa…

> I believe that overpopulation is the root of the sustainability crisis This has been studied long time ago by scientists such as Alfred Sauvy [1], who concluded that overpopulation is not the cause of sustainability crisis, and that greenhouse gas is the major cause. In particular, limiting the growth of population has few impact on the production of greenhouse gas, whereas changing the means of energy production a…

Sustainable means different things to different people.

In a simulator, could you have 12 billion people with their needs met, living fulfilled lives and continuing into the far future? Yes.

Is there a political and practical way to reach that state? No. "One study estimates it would take just over 5 Earths to support the human population if everyone’s consumption patterns were similar to the average American." Any US government that tried to bring America's environmental footprint down to a sustainable or fair level would be voted out. It doesn't matter whether it would be gas taxes, meat taxes, per mile taxes, flight taxes, carbon tax and dividend, building renewable energy in less developed countries, or any other scheme. It doesn't matter if it was targeted at the ultra rich or the middle class. The sheer scale of it would cause Americans to vote out the government. And the same is true for any democracy and plenty of the non-democracies too.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by oezi »

PeterisP wrote: post #119
jdietrich wrote: post #26

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Stop burning stuff. Tell other people to stop burning stuff. Tell your representatives to work on alternatives to burning stuff. Don't invest in companies that burn a lot of stuff. Avoid waterfront property.

That's not going to be sufficient to prevent climate change (well, nothing we'll realistically do now will be sufficient to do that - it's too late, just as scientists were warning us decades ago), so probably the question is less about reducing climate change but rather how to mitigate the consequences of climate change to you personally and your community - "avoid waterfront property" is one step there, but probabl…

Why are you saying this. We just need to get to netzero. This is going to cost some money but it won't break the bank. Estimates go up to 2x global GDP.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by bagels »

haizhung wrote: post #151
127361 wrote: post #45

It's taboo to say this, but people worldwide have had far too many children, and I believe that overpopulation is the root of the sustainability crisis, including climate change and pollution. And that taboo is probably rooted in evolutionary psychology, people have a genetically driven tendency to criticize those who advocate having less children? So could there be an instinctual drive behind it? https://www.flashpa…

It’s not really taboo, it is being mentioned in, like, the comments on every 2nd post on climate change. The problem with this line of thinking (and similar ones like „what about China?“) is that it basically absolves you from any responsibility in the matter. After all, there are simply too many people on the planet, what could you possibly do about it? As other commenters pointed out - the west uses way too many re…

As a westerner, the most impactful thing you can do is to not create more westerners.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by jhoechtl »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #145

I no longer worry. I'm extremely pessimistic about the impending climate change. I believe Sabine isn't pessimistic enough about what to anticipate. Consider the tundra methane emissions and the explosive release of methane-hydrates from the oceans, along with water vapor, a potent greenhouse gas. The disaster looming over all ecosystems (a mass extinction event) that will happen in decades and the doom-phase could l…

I am glad that I survived oil outage, sour rain, the Ozone hole, mass famine because of overpopulation. All in a lifetime. I must have had sheer luck.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by jdksmdbtbdnmsm »

ZunarJ5 wrote: post #91
jdksmdbtbdnmsm wrote: post #88

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> the little things do add up This is the first thing that anyone who has actually studied historical societal change would have to disagree with. In fact, history almost completely shows that organizing one another and acting strategically in unison is the only hope, because there is effectively zero evidence of the "little things" just happening to add up. In conclusion, you are absolutely full of it. You either do…

This guide I linked is literally how to do that if and how you are able to, especially when you do not know where to start. Those movements start small, with a few people organising and snowballing. This is a guide on starting that process, not finishing. We need to show people how to begin if we want mass action, and the groundwork for strong movements is extremely important as it is inherently a bottom-up approach…

Historically mere "movements" don't accomplish anything. You need actual strategy. Not just attention wrangling. The fact that you haven't shared a strategy shows me you're ineffective at anything except wasting peoples' time.
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