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Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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So don't install the app. Simple as that, if the developer wanted you to be a user of their app, they'd have put it on the App Store too.

IOS is a good platform because it forces large app developers that the users have no leverage over to behave. Now that is gone, unfortunately.

"No leverage"? What does that mean? I can choose not to install their apps. That's all the "leverage" I'm entitled to.

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#152

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IOS is a good platform because it forces large app developers that the users have no leverage over to behave. Now that is gone, unfortunately.

"No leverage"? What does that mean? I can choose not to install their apps. That's all the "leverage" I'm entitled to.

Why? Up until now I was entitled to choose a strong platform that forced the developers to play nicely. Now I lost that so indeed as you're saying, not using the app is my only choice.

But that's bad, I want the strong platform back. I left Android just few years ago precisely because I liked the guarantees of the iOS platform - now it's going to be just another shitty privacy nightmare like the hellscape of Android I left.

I don't understand why people can't just buy an Android if that's what they like.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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Side loading on Android is just a legal argument in courts, its made too complicated for normal users to use it.

Side loading on android is laughably easy, probably easier than installing a program on a Windows device. If we can consider the installers that Windows users need to use to get something as simple as Chrome installed easy to use, downloading an .apk file and opening it and pressing install should seem trivial by comparison.

Even Fortnite gave up on the standalone install, we don't need to speculate, we know this method doesn't scale from past experience.

The only apps I know which are exclusively distributed this way are stuff banned from the store or developer tools.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

#154

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You forgot the final line of your argument: “…so we should use the government to force people to build that product I just dreamt up, rather than the one they want to build.”

I don't live in the EU or have any connection to the EU, and I am not positioned to have any strong opinion of the laws or court cases there. My argument was against the person above claiming that an open platform makes for a worse product, and that European iPad users would get an inferior experience. I disagree. Let's not forget that Apple invented the smart phone, but then they lost their dominance over the smart…

Apple didn’t invent the smartphone, never had a the dominant share of phones sold globally. They didn’t even invent the first touchscreen phone.

Their innovation has always been marrying software and hardware. It is a high risk approach that they execute well.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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So instead you want your government to pay money to a (possibly foreign) company just to be able to publish an app?

Historically, Apple has demonstrated more trustworthiness and greater morality than the United States Government, when direct comparison has been available. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption_d... Even recently, the EU has been pushing for less safety for users. https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/09/eu_casm_expert_identi... More generally, your argument doesn't really hold up. Apple's never o…

Except we know about PRISM and how Apple is collaborating to the surveillance system.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

#157

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Side loading on android is laughably easy, probably easier than installing a program on a Windows device. If we can consider the installers that Windows users need to use to get something as simple as Chrome installed easy to use, downloading an .apk file and opening it and pressing install should seem trivial by comparison.

Even Fortnite gave up on the standalone install, we don't need to speculate, we know this method doesn't scale from past experience. The only apps I know which are exclusively distributed this way are stuff banned from the store or developer tools.

F-Droid and all the apps there.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

#158

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Even Fortnite gave up on the standalone install, we don't need to speculate, we know this method doesn't scale from past experience. The only apps I know which are exclusively distributed this way are stuff banned from the store or developer tools.

F-Droid and all the apps there.

As much as I love F-Droid, I'll put it firmly into the developer community as well.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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"No leverage"? What does that mean? I can choose not to install their apps. That's all the "leverage" I'm entitled to.

Why? Up until now I was entitled to choose a strong platform that forced the developers to play nicely. Now I lost that so indeed as you're saying, not using the app is my only choice. But that's bad, I want the strong platform back. I left Android just few years ago precisely because I liked the guarantees of the iOS platform - now it's going to be just another shitty privacy nightmare like the hellscape of Android…

Your argument works just the same the other way.

> I don't understand why people can't just buy an Android if that's what they like.

I don't understand why you people can't just use the apps they trust and let me use the ones I trust.

I should not have to buy a different device to have the ability to put the software I want on it, and the hardware vendor shouldn't be able to get in my way.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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I bought an iPad and an Apple Pencil for drawing. If I could have bought the same hardware with the same functionality, but not Apple, I absolutely would have. It's not because I hate Apple products (I happily use Macintoshes), but because the system is too closed. I overwhelmingly prefer Android, Microsoft, and macOS to iPadOS -- primarily because I can get a browser I like on them, but not on my iPad. If I didn't u…

You forgot the final line of your argument: “…so we should use the government to force people to build that product I just dreamt up, rather than the one they want to build.”

You can build whatever you dream, as long as you aren't dreaming about a monopoly.
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