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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by dang »

mardifoufs wrote: post #232
whalesalad wrote: post #176

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Well thank god you'll be spared having colleagues from Gaza since Israel usually cuts off the internet there, because otherwise you'd have seen much worse than someone yelling rockets lol. Also, I'm sure the Ukraine war would've ended if Ukraine would've just surrendered, what's your point? You realize that you could say that for basically every war ever, and that the enemy not surrendering doesn't allow you to commi…

Your comments in this thread have been crossing into flamewar and are particularly against the intended spirit that I tried to explain in the comment at the top. Please don't post more comments of this sort.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by dang »

whalesalad wrote: post #243
mardifoufs wrote: post #232

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Well thank god you'll be spared having colleagues from Gaza since Israel usually cuts off the internet there, because otherwise you'd have seen much worse than someone yelling rockets lol. Also, I'm sure the Ukraine war would've ended if Ukraine would've just surrendered, what's your point? You realize that you could say that for basically every war ever, and that the enemy not surrendering doesn't allow you to commi…

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Your comments in this thread have been crossing into flamewar and are particularly against the intended spirit that I tried to explain in the comment at the top. Please don't post more comments of this sort.

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Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by surume »

Aeolun wrote: post #722
surume wrote: post #263

Hi All, I am a combat soldier and commander in the IDF currently fighting in Gaza. We are not committing any genocide. The give away for Genocide is that there are mass graves, which in Gaza there are not. Yes there is collateral damage because Hamas uses civilians as human shields, so we have no choice but to kill them too, but we do not specifically target them. We risk ourselves and our soldiers to ensure that the…

> would you want October 7th to happen to your family and friends? Obviously not. I just believe you are going about it the entirely wrong way if you want to prevent it. How many Oct 7’s do you think this one-sided conflict will spawn?

What is your proposed alternative that you're alluding to? That seems oddly missing in your comment.

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by Jochim »

SirSavary wrote: post #768
reissbaker wrote: post #756

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This is not the approach the West took with ISIS, which involved similarly one-sided fights against terrorist forces [1], nor do I think it's an approach that would have worked. When "everyone who wants peace" doesn't include the people in control of the guns and rockets, who instead want to kill their enemies by any means necessary (and themselves do not respect international law), you can't simply dialogue your way…

Note: ISIS was a bunch of European guys who got radicalized and then travelled to the middle east; Hamas is homegrown and was democratically elected by the people of the region.

> ISIS was a bunch of European guys who got radicalized and then travelled to the middle east;

The prevalence of British and American accents whenever the IDF is interviewed was certainly surprising.

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by refurb »

anon84873628 wrote: post #585
pgeorgi wrote: post #474

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All correct and yet, what should happen? Israel stops their campaign. And then? Spend tons of money on iron dome to shoot down the rockets and hope that Hamas won't manage to conduct another massacre, even if "only" half the scope of October 7? This mess features not one but two parties who currently reject the concept of a cease fire.

>All correct and yet, what should happen? Israel stops their campaign. And then? And then everyone who wants peace invests lots of money and expertise over a long time to build a modern, prosperous, stable Palestinian society, despite whatever setbacks, attacks, and sabotage occur from within and without. The only way to have peace is to give people a better option than becoming terrorists.

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Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by mardifoufs »

nerdponx wrote: post #109
aaomidi wrote: post #77

I do think that their future Feb ruling is going to call for a ceasefire. If they called for one now, Israel & especially the US were just going to ignore it and reduce the power of the court. Israel has created a beast that I don't think they can control themselves. I do think that the court is going to get more legitimacy after they explicitly tell Israel to __chill__, for Israel not to chill, and then get the ceas…

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Lol yeah George w bush at least just focused on killing 1m people in the middle east instead of being yucky!

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by bart_spoon »

Symbiote wrote: post #631
kar5pt wrote: post #454

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Have you read through their case? It's pretty weak in my opinion. They seem to think that any war with a high number of casualties and insufficient humanitarian aid counts as genocide. By their standard the US committed "genocide" against Japan in WW2, arguably Germany too.

> By their standard the US committed "genocide" against Japan in WW2, arguably Germany too. Germany, yes? That's the primary example of genocide in the 20th century. "The Holocaust was the genocide of European Jews during World War II." (First sentence of Wikipedia.) (I think widespread bombing of cities is a different crime.)

The person isn’t saying that Germany committed genocide during WW2, which is obviously true, but pointing out that by the above definition of genocide, the US committed genocide against Germany and Japan during WW2.

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

int_19h wrote: post #750
xdennis wrote: post #743

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When Brits were firebombing German cities, that had very little to do with freeing anyone from anything. Even at the time it was recognized by many as an act of revenge, and it's hard to not take the same impression from how Israel is conducting itself in Gaza, especially given some telling remarks from Israeli leadership.

> at the time it was recognized by many as an act of revenge

In part. Air power was new at the time, and there was legitimate strategic ambiguity around the military value of removing war factories’ workforces. (This is why Germany and Britain bombed by night while America bombed by day.)

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by mardifoufs »

dang wrote: post #781
mardifoufs wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well thank god you'll be spared having colleagues from Gaza since Israel usually cuts off the internet there, because otherwise you'd have seen much worse than someone yelling rockets lol. Also, I'm sure the Ukraine war would've ended if Ukraine would've just surrendered, what's your point? You realize that you could say that for basically every war ever, and that the enemy not surrendering doesn't allow you to commi…

Your comments in this thread have been crossing into flamewar and are particularly against the intended spirit that I tried to explain in the comment at the top. Please don't post more comments of this sort. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Okay sorry about that. I agree that I was 100% veering into sneering. I didn't see the top comment. I'll stop commenting and won't comment like that on a future thread!

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by amluto »

avmich wrote: post #773
skybrian wrote: post #751

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While I'm not a military expert, I think it would be reasonable to rule out the possibility of a similar massacre any time soon, for decades at least. It seems unlikely that Hamas would get away with it a second time? They put everything into a one-day surprise attack. The Israeli defense was caught unprepared despite being warned, but they have much more power and they can learn. What happens in the wider conflict (…

Hamas doesn't get away from it this time already.

Hamas has quite a bit of leadership outside Gaza, and as far as I know, most of them are doing fine. They may even have more political capital than before the attacks. I’m not convinced they didn’t get away with it.
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