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Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Deepest apologies; I meant to say grille. Regardless of the flow direction, I am constantly blocking the aperture with my legs or blanket. The touchpad frequently misidentifies movement as taps, something that hasn't been a problem for me on the Macbook Pro, the X1 Carbon, or the Microsoft Surface. The keyboard keys aren't too bad, but could have a sharper inflection point in the force vs travel and also be little bi…

I had a hang that sounds similar to yours the other day, and it appeared to retrain on the next boot. Does that line up with what you've seen?

It seems to retrain more often after a hang, but not every time.

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My AMD Framework 13 occasionally hangs and requires hard reset to come back to life. No errors are generated. As far as I can tell it instantly and unpredictably stops executing any instructions at all. There hasn't been a driver or firmware update in three months. The keyboard and trackpad are mediocre. The fan vents are on the bottom of the computer where they're almost permanently blocked. It's not a terrible comp…

Have you installed the firmware updates to the AMD board? I had similar issues but the latest set of firmware updates seems to have fixed them.

There haven't been any releases in the time that I've had the computer, and the board shipped with still-latest.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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My AMD Framework 13 occasionally hangs and requires hard reset to come back to life. No errors are generated. As far as I can tell it instantly and unpredictably stops executing any instructions at all. There hasn't been a driver or firmware update in three months. The keyboard and trackpad are mediocre. The fan vents are on the bottom of the computer where they're almost permanently blocked. It's not a terrible comp…

Are you running Windows or another OS?

Windows 11 and Fedora

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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I have the DIY FW13 Intel 11th Gen with Fedora. I've had an overall positive experience and have enjoyed tinkering with it. My only negative with it has been the issue specific to 11th gens where the CMOS drains and eventually dies if the laptop is left unplugged for days-to-weeks at a time. On the whole Framework handled the issue well, there was no permanent fix without soldering or replacing the board. The company…

The owner of DIY FW13 12 Gen here. The only problem I've faced was fingerprint scanner: it just fell off (I don't know why, I've not done anything crazy to the machine, worked almost stationary). I've just replaced the button with sticky plastic rectangle and that's it: button works, fingerprint - no. But this is a minor issue really: overall this is the best laptop I've had considering that I also can upgrade it more cheaply in the future, I suggest almost everyone to consider this brand when searching for new machine.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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After a year of waiting them to start shipping to where I live, I gave up and ordered a new Lenovo.

Same. After wanting a Framework 13 for years, I am now going to wait for a Snapdragon Elite X Lenovo instead.

That looks very promising, but I'm not brave enough to jump into ARM land yet.

Perhaps in the next cycle.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Linux support will definitely get better within the next year, but yeah this is my biggest pain point. Electron and other XWayland apps look terrible. Is there some environment variable that I can set to launch Electron apps with the correct command line arguments for Wayland? Edit: Looks like I found what I am looking for: https://www.electronjs.org/docs/latest/api/environment-varia... . Electron apps are still blur…

Many electron apps either ignore the ozone flags, or straight up ship with ancient electron, that doesn't support ozone/wayland at all. The only way forward is bug the maintainers of the apps to do the right thing and support wayland properly. Electron itself does.

Slack seems to work great with Wayland, so props to them. VSCode and Discord were giving me trouble however. Thanks for your insight.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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I have mixed feelings. I bought mine hoping Framework would improve the SW (especially firmware and drivers) over time but that hasn't been the case. My 12th gen has issues with abysmal battery life while sleeping (not just the regular Intel 12th gen sleep complaints, but batt life varies greatly depending on which expansion cards you have on the laptop while sleeping eg USB-A vs -C). Framework has been beta testing…

Typing this on 12th gen running Fedora, and I have none of the issues you describe. I've been daily driving this laptop for 2 years, and my only complaint is the mediocre battery life (I get 5-6 hours with mixed use and around 50% display brightness). I did switch from the glossy to matte display, which was a massive improvement for use on the go.

If you don't mind sharing, what modules do you have plugged in and how much battery do you lose if you don't touch the laptop for 2-3 days?
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