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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by xarope »

leeman2016 wrote: post #99
Maskawanian wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love framework's mission. I would not change the past on buying a framework. To provide a counter example, quite often I open my bag to find that my Framework 13 has cooked itself in the bag. The battery life, and the bad intel sleep management have been a thorn in my side since I got it. But the power management does leave much to be desired. Given LTT's review of the laptop, it may be best to wait for the 2nd rev…

You're not alone with the cooking laptop in a bag running Linux issue. I had those in the past with Dell/Toshiba laptops in the past.

Another counterpoint, I have that same not-suspending-thus-cooking-in-my-bag issue often with a thinkpad P14s running windows 10 (intel i7-1270p) .

However, my (5+ yrs old?) T480s running linuxmint never does it (i5-8250u). YMMV

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Post by jandrese »

0x38B wrote: post #255

My 11th gen Intel Framework is my only PC and has been a great machine. I use it for dev, gaming, and general computing. Integrated Intel graphics goes surprisingly far if you run games at 720p - Skyrim, Dishonered, the Mass Effects, and more recently Battlebit all run well. I'd imagine the more recent Ryzens would be much better. I want the 16 for more screen real-estate and better gaming; I've had family notice my…

> run games at 720p - Skyrim, Dishonered, the Mass Effects

720p and games that are 12+ years old or are deliberately low poly. That's not the most ringing of endorsements.

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Post by baby_souffle »

spartanatreyu wrote: post #270
ochoseis wrote: post #263

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> On the whole Framework handled the issue well, there was no permanent fix without soldering or replacing the board. The company was upfront, provided support, a replacement battery, and even published a how-to on modifying the mainboard after the fact. IMHO, handling it well would mean recalling and replacing the defective mainboards (so long as they’re in warranty). They must have a ton of brand equity / good will…

> IMHO, handling it well would mean recalling and replacing the defective mainboards (so long as they’re in warranty). Just remember, this flaw was on the one model right at the start of the company. Recalling the boards at that point (where the company probably wasn't making a profit yet) could have killed the company. Definitely not worth doing. But short of a total recall, they did the next best thing. They releas…

> > IMHO, handling it well would mean recalling and replacing the defective mainboards (so long as they’re in warranty).

> No other laptop manufacturer would have done that. > That's why they are seen as good in the community's eyes.

Yep.

We're not aiming for _perfect_ here. Framework just has to be better than the abysmally low bar set by (almost) every other laptop maker.

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Post by canadiantim »

I bought the framework 13, but I'm just left wondering what was the point? Like... there's nothing to upgrade anyway.

When I buy a new laptop it won't be a framework laptop, that's for sure.

I'm not even convinced the hardware switches are real. When I toggle them on and off, my camera and mic still work so... clearly cant have actually been hardware switches.

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Post by GeorgeHahn »

zbrozek wrote: post #295

My AMD Framework 13 occasionally hangs and requires hard reset to come back to life. No errors are generated. As far as I can tell it instantly and unpredictably stops executing any instructions at all. There hasn't been a driver or firmware update in three months. The keyboard and trackpad are mediocre. The fan vents are on the bottom of the computer where they're almost permanently blocked. It's not a terrible comp…

I agree, the input devices leave something to be desired. I dream of grafting a MBP keyboard and trackpad onto my FW13.

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Post by GeorgeHahn »

zbrozek wrote: post #312
cassepipe wrote: post #305

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On the bottom is the air in-take. The air is blown at the edge of the bottom between the hinges. I have the fw13 12th gen and I don't think the keyboard and trackpad are mediocre at all. I am running the Fedora Cinnamon spin. The issue for me is that only sometimes it takes a minutes to get out of sleep after I close the lid. Apart from that it works fine, and I would recommend it.

Deepest apologies; I meant to say grille. Regardless of the flow direction, I am constantly blocking the aperture with my legs or blanket. The touchpad frequently misidentifies movement as taps, something that hasn't been a problem for me on the Macbook Pro, the X1 Carbon, or the Microsoft Surface. The keyboard keys aren't too bad, but could have a sharper inflection point in the force vs travel and also be little bi…

I had a hang that sounds similar to yours the other day, and it appeared to retrain on the next boot. Does that line up with what you've seen?

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Post by rkagerer »

zbrozek wrote: post #295

My AMD Framework 13 occasionally hangs and requires hard reset to come back to life. No errors are generated. As far as I can tell it instantly and unpredictably stops executing any instructions at all. There hasn't been a driver or firmware update in three months. The keyboard and trackpad are mediocre. The fan vents are on the bottom of the computer where they're almost permanently blocked. It's not a terrible comp…

Are you running Windows or another OS?

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Post by rudolph9 »

zbrozek wrote: post #295

My AMD Framework 13 occasionally hangs and requires hard reset to come back to life. No errors are generated. As far as I can tell it instantly and unpredictably stops executing any instructions at all. There hasn't been a driver or firmware update in three months. The keyboard and trackpad are mediocre. The fan vents are on the bottom of the computer where they're almost permanently blocked. It's not a terrible comp…

Have you installed the firmware updates to the AMD board? I had similar issues but the latest set of firmware updates seems to have fixed them.
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