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Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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When will it be available in Sweden? I followed the prompt on the website and signed up for the newsletter, but I got so much marketing spam that was totally irrelevant to my one and only question that I had to unsubscribe.

rest of the EU is supported via reshipping https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/eu-unsupported-SJByUb...

What's the best reshipping service for the rest of the EU?

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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We can't share anything about future product plans, but in general, as few as possible. We want to avoid splitting out into too many different ecosystems of parts, and instead maximize the size of the install base within a cross-compatible ecosystem.

It's notable that a lot of 'smaller' laptops are coming along with ~14" now, rather than the 13" standard. I appreciate that the FW13 is really FW13.5, but if the next work you focus on (having launched the 16) is a FW14 or FW14.5, that would be lovely - especially if you took the opportunity to shave a few hundred grams off it as well!

I'm very against this trend. It's a bit like how compact cars have been slowly ruined by getting bigger and bigger.

13" is a great size for a truly portable use case.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

It would never happen, but I'd like to have a no-keyboard option. I never use my laptop keyboard because I have an HHKB, rendering it unnecessary. Instead of a keyboard, I'd like a flat surface where I can rest my HHKB and maybe an L-shaped connector to plug in the USB-C.

Sounds like you want Framework to release a mini pc

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"Supported" is a stretch. > All warranty service will require a shipping address within one of the EU countries we ship to. So if I need to warranty something, I need to figure out how to have a shipping address in, say, Germany? Easy! Oh and if the 2.5k€ laptop gets damaged by a 3rd party shipping company, I'm on the hook for it. Yea, I'll wait. I can't figure out why it's so hard to ship stuff within the EU. The wh…

> I can't figure out why it's so hard to ship stuff within the EU it's not, at least not in my experience.

Shipping is quite easy, especially for small and expensive things like laptops, where adding cost of DHL/DPD shipping is not a major deal.

Tangentially, as they are doing it already, selling _to consumers_ is quite hard. Each country has different regulation placing a lot of obligations on the seller.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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My 11th gen Intel Framework is my only PC and has been a great machine. I use it for dev, gaming, and general computing. Integrated Intel graphics goes surprisingly far if you run games at 720p - Skyrim, Dishonered, the Mass Effects, and more recently Battlebit all run well. I'd imagine the more recent Ryzens would be much better.

I want the 16 for more screen real-estate and better gaming; I've had family notice my laptop and make positive comments, so I may pass it on when I eventually upgrade.

On a related note, I saw someone else with a Framework laptop at a coffee shop the other day here in Alaska - super cool! First time I've seen another Framework user :)

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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It's on the road to improve, as GNOME continues work here. KDE users have reported a cleaner look overall for applications that are not displaying in a way folks would like to see. Fedora Workstation for example, keeps folks to a 100 or 200% scale due to this, but it can be enabled easily enough if on e prefers. This is an area of active development that will continue to see improvement.

Note GTK3/4 doesn't have true fractional scaling. What it does is scaling up to 2x and downsample to the required resolution. This is not that visible but it does produce some blur, along with the performance overhead. Qt5 doesn't support it either, though Qt6 does. Of course we'll see improvement, but I doubt it would get to the same level as Windows in the next 5 years or so, which is a long time.

> This is not that visible but it does produce some blur

At these pixel sizes (except 125%), it is irrelevant. MacOS and iPhone do exactly the same for years, and nobody was ever bothered.

> along with the performance overhead.

By the increased resolution of the framebuffer; the scaling itself is done by hardware (and here I do not mean GPU; I mean output encoder).

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Hi - Linux still has spotty fractional scaling support. It would be nice to have a display option that is either usable without fractional scaling (1920x1200) or one that works with 2x scaling (3840x2400).

Linux support will definitely get better within the next year, but yeah this is my biggest pain point. Electron and other XWayland apps look terrible. Is there some environment variable that I can set to launch Electron apps with the correct command line arguments for Wayland? Edit: Looks like I found what I am looking for: https://www.electronjs.org/docs/latest/api/environment-varia... . Electron apps are still blur…

Many electron apps either ignore the ozone flags, or straight up ship with ancient electron, that doesn't support ozone/wayland at all.

The only way forward is bug the maintainers of the apps to do the right thing and support wayland properly. Electron itself does.

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I think the expectation for battery life for most these days is closer to what can be found on e.g. M-series MacBooks or in the x86 world, HP Dragonfly and some ASUS Zenbooks, which range between 14 and 22 hours.

Battery life is inherently a trade off against performance and weight. It's also a trade off against competence, because you can kill the battery right quick if drivers don't idle things properly, but even after you address that you still have the other thing. Which makes 16+ hour battery life an odd choice for most people. Who uses their laptop for 16 contiguous hours with no opportunity to charge? It could have bee…

Long battery life isn’t so much about contiguous use as it is about not needing to think about charging as often and being able to not carry a laptop charger brick on excursions. It also lets you still have “normal” laptop life left over after periods of high-intensity usage.

Also generally speaking more efficient laptops are cooler which is generally a quality welcome in a device sometimes used in a person’s lap.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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When will it be available in Sweden? I followed the prompt on the website and signed up for the newsletter, but I got so much marketing spam that was totally irrelevant to my one and only question that I had to unsubscribe.

Same question but for Finland. I’ve got the money here, had it for at least two years. I just don’t have a way to give it to Framework

Same question, same frustration, from Norway

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

When will it be available in Sweden? I followed the prompt on the website and signed up for the newsletter, but I got so much marketing spam that was totally irrelevant to my one and only question that I had to unsubscribe.

Same question but for Switzerland.
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