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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by 8f2ab37a-ed6c »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

How's out-of-the-box support for multi-monitor setups with Ubuntu? How about supporting higher refresh rate external monitors?

How does the trackpad feel compared to what people are used to with Apple devices on MacOS, is it at all comparable? I remember that being my least favorite part of using Linux laptops like what System 76 would put out.

How's the device build? Plasticky? Flexing? Once again, I dreaded that about the System76 machines, which IIRC are just rebranded Clevos/Compals.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by seanp2k2 »

leeman2016 wrote: post #99
Maskawanian wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love framework's mission. I would not change the past on buying a framework. To provide a counter example, quite often I open my bag to find that my Framework 13 has cooked itself in the bag. The battery life, and the bad intel sleep management have been a thorn in my side since I got it. But the power management does leave much to be desired. Given LTT's review of the laptop, it may be best to wait for the 2nd rev…

You're not alone with the cooking laptop in a bag running Linux issue. I had those in the past with Dell/Toshiba laptops in the past.

It's funny but sad how this has literally been an issue for 20+ years and yet still no one can fix it. I've tried with many laptops, both Windows and Linux, and the only one that can reliably go into a backpack with >90% charge and come out after a flight with >80% is a Macbook, and that's also been true for more than a decade.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by ochoseis »

jakamau wrote: post #190

I have the DIY FW13 Intel 11th Gen with Fedora. I've had an overall positive experience and have enjoyed tinkering with it. My only negative with it has been the issue specific to 11th gens where the CMOS drains and eventually dies if the laptop is left unplugged for days-to-weeks at a time. On the whole Framework handled the issue well, there was no permanent fix without soldering or replacing the board. The company…

> On the whole Framework handled the issue well, there was no permanent fix without soldering or replacing the board. The company was upfront, provided support, a replacement battery, and even published a how-to on modifying the mainboard after the fact.

IMHO, handling it well would mean recalling and replacing the defective mainboards (so long as they’re in warranty). They must have a ton of brand equity / good will if customers are that willing to roll up their sleeves.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by verdverm »

lousken wrote: post #142
verdverm wrote: post #115

I thought my framework was great at two weeks, it was around 2 months that my mind started changing, and at 10 months that I replaced it with a mac

without a particular reason(s), that is a useless comment

low quality craftsmanship, small things like hinges, sliders, and the extensions don't fit well

bad thermals, the thing always ran hot playing just a single video, the fan was almost always on

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by verdverm »

moribvndvs wrote: post #148
verdverm wrote: post #115

I thought my framework was great at two weeks, it was around 2 months that my mind started changing, and at 10 months that I replaced it with a mac

After trying to replace the battery in a 2014 MacBook Pro, doing a repair in a 2020 MBP, and my experience (performance aside) with an M3, I wish I could buy your framework (alas, iOS development).

I bought an M2 air and it never gets warm. I can do so much more with it and it doesn't flinch

You can buy my framework, but you will not like how easily and loudly the fan comes on

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by judge2020 »

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #261
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

How's out-of-the-box support for multi-monitor setups with Ubuntu? How about supporting higher refresh rate external monitors? How does the trackpad feel compared to what people are used to with Apple devices on MacOS, is it at all comparable? I remember that being my least favorite part of using Linux laptops like what System 76 would put out. How's the device build? Plasticky? Flexing? Once again, I dreaded that ab…

> How's the device build? Plasticky? Flexing?

From the LTT review (note that Linus has personally invested in the company, but says he did not review the team's script) at timestamp[0]:

> The keyboard on the Framework 16 is unacceptable at this price [...] wasn't able to get up to my full typing speed in particular while doing really quick double presses due to the chassis flex, a huge disappointment compared to the keyboard on the Framework 13

> The problem is the midplate [..] with the keyboard off, you can just see how not supportive this super thin piece of metal is. Fortunately, this being a framework, disassembling only takes about a minute and we were able to chuck some thermal pads in the areas where it was squishiest, and.. holy crap, that is so much better.

> The amount that the chassis flex influences the feel of the keyboard is huge and the difference that this mod has made is night and day. With the thermal pads in there, this keyboard isn't quite on the same level of Asus or Alienware but comfortably beats MSI and Razor and bring it much more in-line with the price.

0: https://youtu.be/eUCm4wKarpQ?t=204

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by verdverm »

lencastre wrote: post #198
verdverm wrote: post #115

I thought my framework was great at two weeks, it was around 2 months that my mind started changing, and at 10 months that I replaced it with a mac

Cliffhanger! Plot twist the mac was a knock off dell

It's more like the mac knocks it out of the park for only being 30% more in price

(maxed out framework vs m2 air)

I don't think anyone is beating mac silicon right now. I didn't understand it until I got this mac I'm using now. Haven't had once in 8 years, which still runs fine for basic things.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by bhelkey »

verdverm wrote: post #115

I thought my framework was great at two weeks, it was around 2 months that my mind started changing, and at 10 months that I replaced it with a mac

I paid a pretty high early adopter price as well.

I cannot turn my 5th batch laptop on without connecting to a charger. Even if the battery is charged.

Resynchronizing time every day gets old fast.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by KomoD »

folmar wrote: post #254
KomoD wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't figure out why it's so hard to ship stuff within the EU it's not, at least not in my experience.

Shipping is quite easy, especially for small and expensive things like laptops, where adding cost of DHL/DPD shipping is not a major deal. Tangentially, as they are doing it already, selling _to consumers_ is quite hard. Each country has different regulation placing a lot of obligations on the seller.

> Each country has different regulation placing a lot of obligations on the seller.

Such as? Just curious

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by spartanatreyu »

ochoseis wrote: post #263
jakamau wrote: post #190

I have the DIY FW13 Intel 11th Gen with Fedora. I've had an overall positive experience and have enjoyed tinkering with it. My only negative with it has been the issue specific to 11th gens where the CMOS drains and eventually dies if the laptop is left unplugged for days-to-weeks at a time. On the whole Framework handled the issue well, there was no permanent fix without soldering or replacing the board. The company…

> On the whole Framework handled the issue well, there was no permanent fix without soldering or replacing the board. The company was upfront, provided support, a replacement battery, and even published a how-to on modifying the mainboard after the fact. IMHO, handling it well would mean recalling and replacing the defective mainboards (so long as they’re in warranty). They must have a ton of brand equity / good will…

> IMHO, handling it well would mean recalling and replacing the defective mainboards (so long as they’re in warranty).

Just remember, this flaw was on the one model right at the start of the company. Recalling the boards at that point (where the company probably wasn't making a profit yet) could have killed the company. Definitely not worth doing.

But short of a total recall, they did the next best thing. They released detailed instructions on how to repair a laptop while having the schematics for the laptop be open, and going out of their way to design the laptop in such a way to make repair as easy as possible, and said that self repairs would not affect any warrantees.

No other laptop manufacturer would have done that.

That's why they are seen as good in the community's eyes.

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