Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

npr.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

201–210 of 226 posts

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

#201

Post by felurx »

on_the_train wrote: post #86

Here we are again. If anyone as much as hints at politics from the "other side", their account is immediately nuked. But it's all good when you guys do it. 80 highly political comments, all good. But no, hn is not political. And if it is, it surely is neutral and rational... Sure. And no, this were no protests against the "far right". It was an attempt to get the only opposition party in Germany banned, which is more…

> And no, this were no protests against the "far right". It was an attempt to get the only opposition party in Germany banned, which is more than scary.

The protests certainly weren't that. At the one I was at, the speaker made it abundantly clear that the protest isn't even against the AfD in particular (tho you could see lots of signs against them), but for democratic values.

What should be noted is that both the protests and recent calls for a ban of the AfD were sparked by a report [1] of a meeting where some neonazis (including someone quite high up in the AfD) were literally making plans for how to force people with a migration background (including those with nationalities) to leave Germany.

[1]: https://correctiv.org/en/top-stories/2024/01/15/secret-plan-...

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

#202

Post by flir »

extractionmech wrote: post #195
flir wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An eeeevil plan to transform virtually every country in the world, for three decades, without a single leak? And all those type A personalities pulling in the same direction? That's incredible!

They have been fantasizing and publishing tomes on the topic for decades. Educate yourself. [<- not regarding your spelling in case it is not clear]

An eeeevil plan with a blog.

And the Titanic was an insurance job.

Apply just a little critical thinking. Please?

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

#203

Post by lukan »

nvm0n2 wrote: post #194
lukan wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Was there a court case?" There were actually many: https://www.hessenschau.de/politik/demonstranten-duerfen-afd... "Die Staatsanwaltschaft Frankfurt hat ein Verfahren gegen einen Demonstranten eingestellt, der bei Anti-AfD-Protesten Björn Höcke als "Nazi" bezeichnete. Es handle sich hier nicht um eine strafbare Beleidigung, sondern um ein "an Tatsachen anknüpfendes Werturteil", so die Ermittler." So to be clear, the…

> So to be clear, the court did not declare him a Nazi. But close enough, that people may call him that. That wasn't a court case, it didn't even go to court. If there are so many, why pick one that wasn't a case? Prosecutors dropped a potential case against a protestor and said it's not a criminal insult because it's (roughly translated) subjective but evidence based? Germany has laws against being a Nazi. Either th…

Ok, I assumed you speak german but apparently not.

"Germany has laws against being a Nazi."

No we don't. There are laws against certain symbols etc. but you can be a Nazi as your political point of view. No one can prosecute you for it, but if you deny the holocaust, or wear a swastika - then yes (I actually do not agree to those restrictions btw.) But you also can openly try to convince other people of your Nazi ideology. (they came to my school to preach). The limit is in actually trying to overtake the state and abolish the constitution. But I think most states have that law.

"That wasn't a court case, it didn't even go to court."

It was a court case - but the court decided to drop the case on the grounds that it is obvious. That still makes it a court case I think.

"The claim about Dresden being a war crime is one I've seen many times. Even in Britain there are people who have argued that. It's like arguing the US shouldn't have nuked Nagasaki. How is that evidence of being a Nazi?"

I also think bombing Dresden was a War Crime. But I don't think - like Höcke - that the germans bombing Coventry (way before) wasn't one. That is Nazi Rhetoric. The war was forced upon germany and germany didn't actually do anything bad. So he wants a 180 degree turn on the memory of the 3.Reich. Which means praising it, instead of despising. The only people who argue this way, are Nazis. Simple as that. Or do you have another explanation why he wants to turn 180 degree in the view of the 3.Reich?

"This guy doesn't even run the AfD."

Not yet. The AfD started as a liberal party by a professor - all of the founders are gone now as they don't want to have anything to do with what the AfD became. And they get more extreme every year and the remaining moderates pushed away.

"None of this stuff seems legit. "

And if this is what you choose to believe, then this is your decision.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

#204

Post by mantas »

egeozcan wrote: post #193
mantas wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woke is way beyond equality to the point that it brings anti-equality policies. Wanting to control your borders and reduce migration is not a „privilege“. Nor it has anything to do with racism.

> Woke is way beyond equality to the point that it brings anti-equality policies. How? Give an example. > Wanting to control your borders and reduce migration is not a „privilege“. Nor it has anything to do with racism. You can support reducing migration. That's nothing to do with being against woke or the point above.

Transathletes is a hill I'm willing to die on. There's no equality in letting men compete with women.

Regardion migration, that's the vibe I got from OP. And I frequently see woke to bother about native and indigenous rights. But they shut silent about native europeans preserving their cultures.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

#205

Post by elforce002 »

sazz wrote: post #177
elforce002 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. I don't follow German politics (nor European politics for that matter) but we have to check why the perceived opinion is shifting to the right.

The way you state your sentence indicates that you see this as a problem?

Not at all.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

#206

Post by egeozcan »

mantas wrote: post #204
egeozcan wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Woke is way beyond equality to the point that it brings anti-equality policies. How? Give an example. > Wanting to control your borders and reduce migration is not a „privilege“. Nor it has anything to do with racism. You can support reducing migration. That's nothing to do with being against woke or the point above.

Transathletes is a hill I'm willing to die on. There's no equality in letting men compete with women. Regardion migration, that's the vibe I got from OP. And I frequently see woke to bother about native and indigenous rights. But they shut silent about native europeans preserving their cultures.

A person who is alert about racial discrimination can still not support transathletes. That's a big discussion topic and many people have differing opinions.

The post above clearly states that anti-woke is being used as a cover for racism. Supporting controlled migration is no racism (by itself, to be clear). Probably we have very different opinions about migration but none of us need to be racist. Racist people are more likely to want to restrict migration but of course not all people who do so are racist.

It seems like the woke movement became something like Antifa, an imaginary enemy that supports everything that one doesn't.

Being alert to racial prejudice and discrimination doesn't mean you do or don't care about the European culture. It tells nothing about it. Like being a feminist also doesn't.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

#207

Post by peterpost2 »

dauertewigkeit wrote: post #167
DeathArrow wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You guys have a protest culture I'm pretty envious of. I would be envious on a culture of innovation, building and getting things done.

American culture is to be envied by all. Europe has a lot to learn.

I prefer to work to live not the other way around.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

#208

Post by shrimp_emoji »

marak830 wrote: post #138
bitcharmer wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean?

[flagged]

Yeah, that's what it is. It's not the pendulum swinging back against the left's insanity which has been foisted upon everyone in totalitarian fashion by the corporate fiefdoms that provide all of our media and social platforms. Hey, at least you'll have a lot of "Nazis" to punch at this rate. :D

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

#210

Post by zelphirkalt »

shzhdbi09gv8ioi wrote: post #26
nicbou wrote: post #12

Speaking only for myself with no sense of authority: there's something in the air that I'm not the only one feeling. Something very subtle seems off. The water is a little hotter, but subtly enough to say "nah it's not like that". The way I see it, tens of thousands took to the streets to make damn sure it won't be like that on their watch. The AfD has gotten louder and stronger last year, and it's reaching further a…

Yea, Kremlin supported AfD is having a success. Putin is happily destroying european unity while we let their propaganda hit us in social media daily. [1] The Russia induced Syrian migrant wave of 2015 sure helped undermine the current right wing popularity rise. [2] And Russias involvement in making brexit happen... [3] 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement 2: https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-weapon…

Maybe that Kremlin influence contributes a little, but most importantly what drives their rise is the corruption and bad government we have had for decades. Stop having politicians in your parties elected who only are out for their own enrichment, and start actually improving the situations of lower income population, and you will quickly regain support.

I hold CDU, SPD, FDP and the greens all accountable for the rise of AFD. Much more than Putin or the Kremlin or whatever. I even think it is dangerous to overlook the mainstream parties' own hand in this. They must learn now, or it will get very unpleasant soon.

Post reply on HN