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Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by nicbou »

leipert wrote: post #24
nicbou wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing is a lot compared to France. It's a lot for Germany, especially without a huge catalysing event.

There was a huge catalyzing event. A lot of high rank AfD party members met with known far-right/neo-nazi people in a „secret“ meeting: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-afd-disputes-remigration-inves...

I was thinking compared to a Russian invasion, the Israeli-Palestine conflict. For the first time, it feels like people are reacting to the implications and not just the results.

But yeah, that's definitely the catalyst. What an awful bunch of people.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by stavros »

shzhdbi09gv8ioi wrote: post #26
nicbou wrote: post #12

Speaking only for myself with no sense of authority: there's something in the air that I'm not the only one feeling. Something very subtle seems off. The water is a little hotter, but subtly enough to say "nah it's not like that". The way I see it, tens of thousands took to the streets to make damn sure it won't be like that on their watch. The AfD has gotten louder and stronger last year, and it's reaching further a…

Yea, Kremlin supported AfD is having a success. Putin is happily destroying european unity while we let their propaganda hit us in social media daily. [1] The Russia induced Syrian migrant wave of 2015 sure helped undermine the current right wing popularity rise. [2] And Russias involvement in making brexit happen... [3] 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement 2: https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-weapon…

What's KREML? Are we making up stock-sounding words now?

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by DeathArrow »

zilti wrote: post #43
hnhg wrote: post #10

Meanwhile the AfD is looking to at least double their share of the votes perhaps to almost 25% of the electorate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_G...

Final wakeup call for the other parties.

So they will finally give the people what they ask for? And stop doing what the people dislike?

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by stavros »

fabian2k wrote: post #48
stavros wrote: post #44

Is there a right-wing party in Germany? What happened in Greece was that a conservative party (one of the big two) started rising in power, and that took many votes away from the far right party. Maybe the case in Germany is that it's a choice between "far-right" and "leftish"?

The mainstream right/conservative party is the CDU/CSU. The AFD is a newer party to the right of them.

I see, thank you!

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by nicbou »

gambiting wrote: post #23
nicbou wrote: post #12

Speaking only for myself with no sense of authority: there's something in the air that I'm not the only one feeling. Something very subtle seems off. The water is a little hotter, but subtly enough to say "nah it's not like that". The way I see it, tens of thousands took to the streets to make damn sure it won't be like that on their watch. The AfD has gotten louder and stronger last year, and it's reaching further a…

It's everywhere, not just in Germany. Like you said, there's "something in the air". The rise of populism, rebirth of strong nationalism, is everywhere in Europe. I feel like wherever that tide is pushed back, it grows stronger in the background anyway. And the worst thing is, I don't really see how this could get better. Economic problems will continue to grow for at least several years, and one of the most contenio…

It definitely seems to be a worldwide phenomenon. You forgot that immigration is also fueled by the receiving side, who won't admit their dependence on cheap labour that pays taxes without needing to be raised and cared for.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by DeathArrow »

aurareturn wrote: post #47

As someone who doesn't live in Europe and never set foot in Europe, it seems like the #1 issue is immigration - both legal and refugees. Am I correct?

Woke ideology in general. But yes, immigration is a big part of it.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by klmr »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #8

That's not a lot, in a country of millions. We do much more in France, every year. And it's been showing diminishing returns, as the government realized it could just not listen, and nothing bad would happen. In fact, it's a drop in the sea, compared to the rising casual xenophobia I can notice with my German acquaintances, friends, and even family. Medias, general discussions, and overall atmosphere is not going in…

> That's not a lot

Indeed, that wouldn’t be a lot: the framing in the article is grossly misleading. The actual number of protesters this weekend was hundreds of thousands, and plausibly >1M (not “tens of thousands”), according to unanimous reporting in various German media and official sources (see e.g. https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/demos-gegen-rechts-bilanz-1...).

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by lgrebe »

gambiting wrote: post #23
nicbou wrote: post #12

Speaking only for myself with no sense of authority: there's something in the air that I'm not the only one feeling. Something very subtle seems off. The water is a little hotter, but subtly enough to say "nah it's not like that". The way I see it, tens of thousands took to the streets to make damn sure it won't be like that on their watch. The AfD has gotten louder and stronger last year, and it's reaching further a…

It's everywhere, not just in Germany. Like you said, there's "something in the air". The rise of populism, rebirth of strong nationalism, is everywhere in Europe. I feel like wherever that tide is pushed back, it grows stronger in the background anyway. And the worst thing is, I don't really see how this could get better. Economic problems will continue to grow for at least several years, and one of the most contenio…

That something might just be the urgency of change in things we’ve taken for grander the past ~2 generations (~60years)

Right at the top of that list: - using fossil fuels as cheap energy - assuming continued growth while earths resources are limited (yes tech is getting more efficient) - relying on respected and trusted media entities (opposed to outlets bought by corporations with clear interests or maybe(?) state controlled social media trolls

Change is happening, coming fast and is becoming harder to ignore but people don’t like change.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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Post by shzhdbi09gv8ioi »

stavros wrote: post #52
shzhdbi09gv8ioi wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, Kremlin supported AfD is having a success. Putin is happily destroying european unity while we let their propaganda hit us in social media daily. [1] The Russia induced Syrian migrant wave of 2015 sure helped undermine the current right wing popularity rise. [2] And Russias involvement in making brexit happen... [3] 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement 2: https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-weapon…

What's KREML? Are we making up stock-sounding words now?

You know what it is. Kreml is the russian, german and swedish spelling and pronunciation of Kremlin.
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