> alternatives to Boeing So, Airbus?
Embraer and Bombardier for smaller aircraft.
Can they ramp up production?
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Embraer
Not for planes the size of a 737.
There's some slight overlap for the Max 7.
- the average 737 MAX 7 aircraft would typically carry between 138 and 153 passengers, range 3,850nm.
- Embraer 195-E2 carries between 120 and 146 passengers, range 2600nm
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is a major shot across the bow of Boeing management. To me, the fact that there really aren't timely alternatives doesn't take away from the gravity of a major airline CEO saying this.
Do you think this is good news for Boom? Honestly they could pivot from supersonic to just "small airplanes at scale made well" and they could grow into a new American industrial giant
They would need to take over Boeing's factories. You don't just spin something like that up.
But this made me think of something funny... maybe Boeing could buy Boom, and Boom management could take over Boeing like McDonnell Douglas management has previously done, when Boeing bought them?
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#66Boeing should move the its HQ back to Washington state. They need to show the public that things are going to change and it starts with the executive team being next to the engineers. Microsoft had the same problem when Balmer was in charge, focus around sales and not engineering.
Are there many engineers left in Washington state? I thought they were shutting down the entire Washington state operation?
That has never been in the plans that I know of. IIRC rumors like that were used as a scare tactic to stir up union pressure.
My cab driver told me that when I was out there in 2011 and Boeing was getting ready to open their South Carolina facility.
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#67At this point, it’s quite pertinent how many corners Boeing has cut over and over again—the company’s culture and management is obviously poisonous. I’m probably a minority of folks, but at this point I’m flying on airlines with the fewest Boeing Max generation planes in their fleet. I also don’t really trust the FAA to properly regulate Boeing after years of a close relationship—the recent groundings are the bare mi…
In contrast, the relatively recent Boeing 787 has an impeccable track record and has become the most comfortable long distance aircraft. Is it a matter of separate teams, managerial era, or something else?
The models with issues appear to be the older ones with retrofits. Perhaps there are failure vulnerabilities when mixing today's computer-reliant design into past institutional-knowledge-reliant human design.
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#68Actions have consequences. Boeing decided they wanted to focus on maximizing profits rather than allowing organic growth to follow on continued high quality engineering and services. In regulated industries, especially where safety is of utmost importance, this is exceptionally risky. They F'd around and found out, and imho the only solution is leadership and strategy changes to shrink their business and refocus on b…
They didn‘t maximize profits at all. Why do people operate on the principle „if it is bad it had to be because of maximizing profits“? This seems to be much more about corruption and misaligned incentives as well as bigcorp bullshit-job rot. There is really only one thing that can cure this and that is more fierce competition
> They didn‘t maximize profits at all [...] There is really only one thing that can cure this and that is more fierce competition
Short term profits is what matter to the elite in these conglomerates.
Their stock bonuses should just have a 10 year lag or something. That would align their incentives.
And how could Airbus be more fierce?
Re: United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing
#69Boeing should move the its HQ back to Washington state. They need to show the public that things are going to change and it starts with the executive team being next to the engineers. Microsoft had the same problem when Balmer was in charge, focus around sales and not engineering.
Yeah once the C-Suite escaped to Chicago it went downhill fast. Ivory tower thinking is also a problem in Corporate America.
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#70"We want a discount"