> alternatives to Boeing So, Airbus?
Embraer and Bombardier for smaller aircraft.
United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing
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Re: United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article points out that they have 79 planes from Boeing that are grounded. That it's impacting their ability to fly and finances. They may have Airbus planes but their whole fleet isn't Airbus.
Ok, so what is the point of the article title? > United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing’s next airplane
What is the point of your comment about United exploring other options being meaningless b/c they operate a small percentage of airbus'?
This article is signaling that operators are exploring alternatives to Boeing, and revenue could shift from Boeing to Airbus in the future. That's the point of the article.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have to be extremely careful what they say. Boeing is considered a strategically important business to the U.S. - they supply everything from airliners to bombers to spacecraft to cruise missiles. They also create jobs all over the place - taxpayer dollars are funnelled via the pork barrel to jobs programs. The government cannot allow it to fail, and if Boeing looks bad, the government looks bad. Therefore anyon…
So many claims in here with nothing to back it up. May as well be a Boeing fanfic.
Yes, this will never happen.
Look at all the disputes between USA and Europe at the WTO because of Airbus/Boeing over lesser things
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#44Boeing should move the its HQ back to Washington state. They need to show the public that things are going to change and it starts with the executive team being next to the engineers. Microsoft had the same problem when Balmer was in charge, focus around sales and not engineering.
That would require recognition that something is wrong.
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#45At this point, it’s quite pertinent how many corners Boeing has cut over and over again—the company’s culture and management is obviously poisonous. I’m probably a minority of folks, but at this point I’m flying on airlines with the fewest Boeing Max generation planes in their fleet. I also don’t really trust the FAA to properly regulate Boeing after years of a close relationship—the recent groundings are the bare mi…
Is there a reason to isolate this QA culture to just the Max production line? I'm concerned about anything they have produced recently.
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#46"Kirby wasn’t specific about what planes the airline could acquire instead of the Max 10, but he noted that there is only one other global manufacturer of such large planes — Boeing’s European rival Airbus." Is it just me or is every player in the dramatis personae dancing around this and/or burying the lede? If they were ordering regional jets, sure, you could buy Embraer or Bombardier, I guess. But as it stands it'…
They have to be extremely careful what they say. Boeing is considered a strategically important business to the U.S. - they supply everything from airliners to bombers to spacecraft to cruise missiles. They also create jobs all over the place - taxpayer dollars are funnelled via the pork barrel to jobs programs. The government cannot allow it to fail, and if Boeing looks bad, the government looks bad. Therefore anyon…
FTC should consider splitting the commercial and military branches of Boeing. The military part is hopelessly entangled in lobbyism etc. but the commercial branch should be as removed from the gov as possible
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#47Other than Airbus, are there any alternatives?
Chinese COMAC seems to be on the verge of selling meaningful numbers to chinese airlines. Wont be surprised if they are a very viable competitor in ~20 years which isn’t much in the aviation world where backlogs span a decade
Yeah. I could see a possible future Boeing split where BCA gets bought by COMAC or otherwise there's a some sort of new commercial aircraft org made from a hybrid of the two. Not a likely future, but a possible one.
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#48Actions have consequences. Boeing decided they wanted to focus on maximizing profits rather than allowing organic growth to follow on continued high quality engineering and services. In regulated industries, especially where safety is of utmost importance, this is exceptionally risky. They F'd around and found out, and imho the only solution is leadership and strategy changes to shrink their business and refocus on b…
They didn‘t maximize profits at all. Why do people operate on the principle „if it is bad it had to be because of maximizing profits“? This seems to be much more about corruption and misaligned incentives as well as bigcorp bullshit-job rot. There is really only one thing that can cure this and that is more fierce competition
You're not wrong, but I would say it differently - the C suite has been focused on financialization - how to make their operations more tax efficient and make their SEC filings and shareholder meetings look good.
So they spin off core manufacturing to a supplier and then squeeze them for pennies instead of concentrating on operational excellence and quality.
They whip their test engineers until they pass a product instead of learning lessons.
etc etc. Yes, this is all about incentives.
Re: United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing
#49At this point, it’s quite pertinent how many corners Boeing has cut over and over again—the company’s culture and management is obviously poisonous. I’m probably a minority of folks, but at this point I’m flying on airlines with the fewest Boeing Max generation planes in their fleet. I also don’t really trust the FAA to properly regulate Boeing after years of a close relationship—the recent groundings are the bare mi…
So what are your thoughts on people who won't take the vaccine because they don't trust pharma companies and the FDA?
Also, what are your thoughts on the EASA and why they haven't banned the Max?
I find it hilarious how many people who mock people who "don't trust the experts" and "do their own research" suddenly engage in the same thing when it comes to other domains. Make no mistake: anti-Maxxers are kinfolk to anti-vaxxers, even if you don't want to admit it.
Re: United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing
#50Other than Airbus, are there any alternatives?
Chinese COMAC seems to be on the verge of selling meaningful numbers to chinese airlines. Wont be surprised if they are a very viable competitor in ~20 years which isn’t much in the aviation world where backlogs span a decade
I'm sketical, there are single digit numbers in service and I would be surprised if 差不多 culture doesn't result in a service record worse than the MAX once we have appreciable flight hours to look at. A lot can happen in 20 years but I can't see myself ever flying an MC-21 or C-919, though I won't fly on a MAX either.