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Re: Anime is a $25B industry that pays its animators pennies

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Post by gruez »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #206
imgabe wrote: post #133

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Employees also do not have a right to any particular career. That's nice that people have a dream to make anime for a living. I hope they get to realize it. But the world does not owe them a particular wage for what they want to do just because it's a job that they want. If you can't make enough money doing a certain job, maybe go get a different job then.

>But the world does not owe them a particular wage for what they want to do just because it's a job that they want Sure we do, we call it minimum wage. Of course the ceiling is unlimited but there are defined floors. There are just plenty of loopholes and a lot of off the clock overtime that complicates things. Not just in anime but most of the Japanese workforce. That's a whole other topic to discuss, though.

>>But the world does not owe them a particular wage for what they want to do just because it's a job that they want

>Sure we do, we call it minimum wage. Of course the ceiling is unlimited but there are defined floors.

A minimum wage doesn't guarantee "a particular wage". It only guarantees that if an exchange of money for labor occurs, that the price paid will meet the minimum. However, it doesn't guarantee that the transaction will occur, and if you're unemployed your "wage" is arguably $0.

Re: Anime is a $25B industry that pays its animators pennies

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Post by gruez »

pjmlp wrote: post #323
mlrtime wrote: post #319

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You just moved the goalposts.

Not at all, they deserve the same quality life of their bosses, getting rich from western money while exploring passionate slaves, in modern feudalism.

>Not at all, they deserve the same quality life of their bosses

That can't happen by definition unless you get rid of inequality altogether, or engage in shenanigans like defining them as "contractors".

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Post by gruez »

soulofmischief wrote: post #326
mlrtime wrote: post #320

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There is no such thing as a fair wage, fair is subjective and this can be debated for hours by academics. What we have (in some countries) is: 1) Minimum wage: defined as the least amount legal to pay someone. 2) Living wage: loosely defined as the wage needed for minimum living standards for a given region 3) Market wage: What the market determines your value is worth based on supply/demand. None of these are "fair"…

> There is no such thing as a fair wage Bollocks. A fair wage is a wage which is agreed upon by employee and employer, and is livable according to local cost of living. Let's not get into a semantic argument.

That's your definition of a "fair wage". The parent's point is that it's subjective and others might disagree. For instance I've seen people take the marxist position that software engineers earning 6 figures isn't "fair" because the company is making even more money from their labor and that amount is effectively being stolen from them.

Re: Anime is a $25B industry that pays its animators pennies

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Post by s1artibartfast »

Ecstatify wrote: post #303
s1artibartfast wrote: post #208

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no, I just think that minimum wage is the worst possible way to address the issue, from an economic perspective. It would be far better to pay people what their work is actually worth, and then give them charity through the government, supported by taxes, if need be. Same goes for healthcare, which should absolutely not be a mandated part of employment. Pay people what they are worth, and let them buy healthcare. If…

Why should the taxpayer foot the bill for a business unable to pay their employees a living wage.

if the work isnt worth a living wage, the difference is charity.

Nobody is owed more than their work is worth.

If we want to have charity to make lives easier, that's fine. There are lost of good reasons to avoid angry and starving people in the street. They can be paid by taxes. You could even tax businesses to pay for it.

Pretending it isn't charity is what I object to, and the economic problems it creates.

Re: Anime is a $25B industry that pays its animators pennies

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Post by tomcam »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #316
tomcam wrote: post #298

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Does property tax count in your scheme? Do you understand that for many people in the world, the car you or at least people in your peer group might drive would be the equivalent of a giant pickup truck to them? Who decides what a reasonable method of transportation is? For example, the bus system is terrible where I live. Am I allowed to have a giant pickup truck under your scheme or should that be taxed the same as…

Property tax is the same as a wealth tax. > Do you understand that for many people in the world, the car you or at least people in your peer group might drive would be the equivalent of a giant pickup truck to them? Yes, I am aware these schemes would require reducing consumption for quite a few people. > Who decides what a reasonable method of transportation is? Society? But it has to be planned with long term conse…

What about the people who install your HVAC or hang drywall? Are they allowed to use their giant pickups without punitive taxes? Will it help inflation to tax them heavily? Will it help them lower their prices? Will it lower housing prices?

Re: Anime is a $25B industry that pays its animators pennies

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Post by lotsofpulp »

tomcam wrote: post #335
lotsofpulp wrote: post #316

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Property tax is the same as a wealth tax. > Do you understand that for many people in the world, the car you or at least people in your peer group might drive would be the equivalent of a giant pickup truck to them? Yes, I am aware these schemes would require reducing consumption for quite a few people. > Who decides what a reasonable method of transportation is? Society? But it has to be planned with long term conse…

What about the people who install your HVAC or hang drywall? Are they allowed to use their giant pickups without punitive taxes? Will it help inflation to tax them heavily? Will it help them lower their prices? Will it lower housing prices?

Why is it “punitive” taxes? If they are performing sufficiently productive work with the giant pickup, then they will be able to pass down the cost to their customers.

The purpose of the tax is to dissuade frivolous use that harms society at large. If the use is valuable enough, it will be reflected in the prices of the services it helps provide.

Re: Anime is a $25B industry that pays its animators pennies

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Post by tomcam »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #336
tomcam wrote: post #335

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What about the people who install your HVAC or hang drywall? Are they allowed to use their giant pickups without punitive taxes? Will it help inflation to tax them heavily? Will it help them lower their prices? Will it lower housing prices?

Why is it “punitive” taxes? If they are performing sufficiently productive work with the giant pickup, then they will be able to pass down the cost to their customers. The purpose of the tax is to dissuade frivolous use that harms society at large. If the use is valuable enough, it will be reflected in the prices of the services it helps provide.

Taxes by their nature tend to inhibit the thing being taxed. This is why every state in the USA has heavy liquor taxes, and it’s why places like New York City and Seattle tax soft drinks extra.

The taxes you are proposing are literally designed to inhibit people from buying the vehicles they want.

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

Thaxll wrote: post #226
danielmarkbruce wrote: post #131

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Maybe no one. There is no rule that says someone has to get rich out of every industry. You don't see a lot of agriculture billionaires. Nor airline billionaires. Some industries just kind of suck.

Food compagny buy from agriculture industry. They're the one getting the biggest cut.

Historically, a few players made out ok. Even that's going sideways as the large grocery chains (including walmart, costco etc) have attained more power.

Re: Anime is a $25B industry that pays its animators pennies

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Post by tomcam »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #316
tomcam wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does property tax count in your scheme? Do you understand that for many people in the world, the car you or at least people in your peer group might drive would be the equivalent of a giant pickup truck to them? Who decides what a reasonable method of transportation is? For example, the bus system is terrible where I live. Am I allowed to have a giant pickup truck under your scheme or should that be taxed the same as…

Property tax is the same as a wealth tax. > Do you understand that for many people in the world, the car you or at least people in your peer group might drive would be the equivalent of a giant pickup truck to them? Yes, I am aware these schemes would require reducing consumption for quite a few people. > Who decides what a reasonable method of transportation is? Society? But it has to be planned with long term conse…

The mass transit system will not come about eventually in my opinion. Self driving cars will almost completely replace mass transit, especially in the suburban areas.

Re: Anime is a $25B industry that pays its animators pennies

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Post by astrange »

asylteltine wrote: post #327
astrange wrote: post #150

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You learned nonsense right-wing propaganda.

Which part is propaganda? Are you saying it’s not true? Because it is, there’s literal evidence of it. Just because their actions align with you politically doesn’t mean it’s fake news

It often isn't true, they're showing screenshots of a fan translation or claiming it's official, or showing edits mandated by the Japanese side (for legal reasons etc) and claiming they aren't approved, or they just think anything using an English idiom is an incorrect translation because they have bad writing test or are literally ESL speakers and don't know English.
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