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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by portaouflop »

apwell23 wrote: post #120
morelisp wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying Nesrin Sipahi, who received a personal award from the president, has nothing but Spotify?

No idea who that artist is. It something spotify recommended and I am into it. I didn't find that artist on bandcamp or any other non-streaming platforms. only on spotify, youtube, apple music. Are they not equivalent, didn't realize you were making a point specifically about spotify. And yes I will surely go to that artist concert if they are in my area. Me listening to on spotify has nothing to do with it. If anyth…

Nesrin Sipahi is a far cry from a small indie artist that relies on support by their fan base.

And there are many options to buy her music as physical copies directly from her labels.

Of course it’s fine to use Spotify to listen to music and find new artists - I’m saying the worst way to pay artists that rely on their fan base for income.

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Post by redserk »

swozey wrote: post #216
theappsecguy wrote: post #203

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70-300k is a crazy wide range to lump together. Quality of life and flexibility to pay for things is extremely different across it. That said, the reason is simple, there’s no good product out there so people pirate. I haven’t pirated music in ages because Spotify solved that industry with a single reasonably priced offering. On the other hand the dozens of streaming services have gotten out of hand by now. Same with…

Most of us who make 100k-300k made 70k at one point. I made 70k (5-8 years?) a lot longer than I've made 235k. I was absolutely not broke at 70k. In fact I thought that was the most money I'd ever make and that I was killing it for 25 or whatever I was.. lmao I made quite a bit more money than everyone my age I knew, most were still in college or in the 35-50k brackets.

Add in college debt payments, maybe a car payment, maybe you just graduated and need to furnish at least part of an apartment (even with roommates), maybe having to help pay down parents medical bills or whatever because you're the first to break out of very low income employment...

$70k isn't a magical feel-good-be-happy number for everyone, especially in HCOL+ areas.

I don't think this was your intent, but your comment comes across as really dismissive to a wide range of financial situations.

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Post by jjulius »

redserk wrote: post #262
swozey wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of us who make 100k-300k made 70k at one point. I made 70k (5-8 years?) a lot longer than I've made 235k. I was absolutely not broke at 70k. In fact I thought that was the most money I'd ever make and that I was killing it for 25 or whatever I was.. lmao I made quite a bit more money than everyone my age I knew, most were still in college or in the 35-50k brackets.

Add in college debt payments, maybe a car payment, maybe you just graduated and need to furnish at least part of an apartment (even with roommates), maybe having to help pay down parents medical bills or whatever because you're the first to break out of very low income employment... $70k isn't a magical feel-good-be-happy number for everyone, especially in HCOL+ areas. I don't think this was your intent, but your com…

>... especially in HCOL+ areas.

Right? NYC and the Bay Area would like a word...

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by jzb »

Reubend wrote: post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

"buy music directly if you don't want to subscribe! A lot of smaller artists provide ways to purchase their music that give them a large percentage of the proceeds, and you can get the music DRM-free if that's something you care about."

Amen. If you have the money and really like a band or artist, find a way to put some money directly in their hands if at all possible.

One: They're going to see a lot more money this way and be able to make more music in the long run.

Two: Music can and does disappear from Spotify and other services due to rights and licensing issues.

Three: It's not super-common but sometimes the originals are replaced with remasters or something that isn't quite right to my ears. Robyn Hitchcock's first album ("Black Snake Diamond Role") is on Spotify, last I looked. But it was remastered for digital or whatever and they couldn't find all the original masters - meaning that one of the songs that used to have saxophone doesn't. It sounds entirely wrong now.

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Post by madmask »

chx wrote: post #249
jvanderbot wrote: post #229

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This has not been my 99% experience. I'm sure one or two of those stories are handy to have to justify a lifetime of unnecessary theft, but the bottom line for me is that I don't mind playing by their system on principle. This is how the artists asked us to do it, by selling their rights to distributors. Similarly with Spotify. I'd love to pay more to artists, I do go buy songs when I love them, and I'm happy to pay…

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Not everything needs to be an activist fight, should I not pay taxes because a party I don’t like is in power? I think we should all be a bit more open to voices we don’t like. Live and let live, etc.

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Post by cynicalsecurity »

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

It's not about money, it's about freedom and independence. I don't want to lose access to my music and videos because some company decided to apply current idiotic understanding of morals or because of some temporary SJW craze. I don't want them to profile and spy on my tastes and preferences and then sell all of this information about me to any idiot out there with money. I don't want to rely on unstable internet connection or the silly "cache" the app offers. I don't want to use their bloated inconvenient app that needs constant internet connection when I can use a lightweight mp3 player app on my phone that I like and am used to.

So no, it's not about the money. I don't want to use their service and support their business model. I don't think their business model is making the world a better place. I wouldn't subscribe even if the price was 10 cents. I buy CDs and support directly the artists and groups I love.

On the end note. Think about, I'm paying 10 bucks a month, but the artists I love will get peanuts from it. The overall chunk will go to some over hyped nonsense like Taylor Swift, simply because she is getting more plays on their platform. Nope.

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Post by pokey00 »

jzb wrote: post #257
junon wrote: post #247

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Living in Germany, but I'm an american. Signed up for Crunchy Roll. Most the shows my friends are recommending are region locked. The remaining ones are mostly German-dubbed only, with no subtitles. Most don't have original Japanese either. Only a handful I want to watch actually have subs or English dubs. It's not like I don't want to pay for this stuff but when it's a huge conditional tree of if I'm going to have a…

Wouldn't a VPN solve this for you?

Until they start blocking VPNs like other streaming services? Piracy is a solution that doesn't end up a cat and mouse game. Sounds like op is paying for the content but it's region locked, so the dumbest form of pushing your customers to piracy.

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Post by swozey »

slily wrote: post #199
scosman wrote: post #173

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“ It is still recommended to support the creators by watching/liking/subscribing to the artists' YouTube channels or liking their tracks on Spotify (or purchasing a Spotify Premium subscription too)” Likes/subscribes are not support. Artists deserve to make a living. I’m supremely frustrated by the current state of TV shows (need 8 subscriptions and still have shows I can’t watch). Music on the other hand is wonderfu…

If you only listen to music that is on streaming services, then of course you would think that they have "basically all music", since everything else is forgotten. I pirated music before Spotify was available, which exposed me to a wide variety of international artists, and I still periodically look up some of my favorites on streaming services, only to find that they are still absent. So I continue to pirate and buy…

Spotify has been missing almost every hip hop b-side I've ever looked for. Like, the eps and lps that got these artists careers started aren't there. I had no idea how many b-sides some of them have until I started looking them up on soundcloud etc too.

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Post by Arch-TK »

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

I happily pay for anything I can get DRM free.

Not interested in paying to rent access to something which requires giving shady companies like Netflix control over my graphics pipeline (which also prevents me from watching the thing I am renting on any device I want because, for example, my mediacentre PC is not blessed by the right big-corps to work with the intrusive DRM software).

If movie publishers had an easy and convenient way to donate, I would probably donate an appropriate amount every time I pirate some of their media to allow me to watch it on my TV.

You can argue "just buy the bluray and pirate it then" but I feel this just encourages these companies to continue relying on these intrusive DRM technologies.

I know my boycott is insignificant but it's a matter of principles more than anything else.

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Post by jstummbillig »

hedora wrote: post #238
switch007 wrote: post #167

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What's the median payout? i.e. is it skewed by some very high earning artists?

$0. 13,400 bands (not artists) got paid over $50K by spotify in 2020: https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/how-many-artists-are-... There are 8 million artists on spotify, and over 80% had under fifty monthly listeners: https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/over-75-of-artists-on... Put another way, 0.16% made over $50K. That's median income in the US. If you assume the money gets split across 5 band members, that'…

This will also roughly be true for Bandcamp (albeit for each commercially failed band there's at least 3 friends and a mom, who will buy something off of the store and at a show, once when given the chance but I hope no one is cynical enough to argue about that being a lot better than $0).

The fact that every creative endeavour or sport is a mix of a few pros and a lot of amateurs (in the sense that they do not make a living) is not an issue.

The value of Spotify and the like to most artists is enabling them to publish to everyone for basically free, no matter how fringe or bad, and to do it all the time. I think that's wonderful.

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