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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by morelisp » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 12:14 PM UTC

apwell23 wrote: post #97

portaouflop wrote: post #91

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I listed four other concrete options and closed with “or whatever other direct support method they have set up” — I assure you that every artist that wants to make money will have set up _something_ besides Spotify since it’s practically impossible to make money through them.

> I assure you that every artist that wants to make money will have set up _something_ besides Spotify since it’s practically impossible to make money through them. you are wrong in your assurances( eg: i am listening to this on spotify at the moment Odeon Yılları Album by Nesrin Sipahi ) and your "other options" have nothing to do with how you listen to their music. Ppl listening on spotify also go to concerts they…

Are you saying Nesrin Sipahi, who received a personal award from the president, has nothing but Spotify?

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by andrepd » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 12:15 PM UTC

Reubend wrote: post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

If you want to support musicians buy their music on bandcamp or go to their gigs and buy their merch. Don't think you're going to Spotify and doing them a favour by giving them 0.0005$ per play.

Spotify is part of the problem, not the solution.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by nunez » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 12:15 PM UTC

bayindirh wrote: post #2

Nifty. Please be aware that this is not a "spotify client" per se. It gets the data from Spotify, and plays the audio from YouTube. It's an interesting invention, and worthy of the first page, if you ask me.

Okay, THAT is Hacker News worthy.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by bayindirh » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 12:15 PM UTC

anotheryou wrote: post #77

thaumasiotes wrote: post #54

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Is there a difference in audio quality between Spotify and YouTube?

yes, I think so. And youtube is mixed quality, especially for older uploads. Newer youtubes are "opus (251)", which I think is 128kbps 48KHz Opus (WebM standard). - Spotify at least used to be ogg vorbis and claims to be "320kbit/s [mp3] equivalent" I think the 128kps Opus is still considered quite lossy¹ and 320kpbit/s mp3s I know I can hear the difference to wav on some tracks in a blind test, but generally don't f…

Lossless still beats MP3@320CBR audibly, but you need a pipeline which can render that difference.

I’ll not rewrite details here, one can search my comment history if more details are required.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by drewdevault » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 12:16 PM UTC

jstummbillig wrote: post #102

drewdevault wrote: post #92

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You and I did the same back-of-the-napkin math and arrived at slightly different numbers; I used a 5 minute average song duration and $0.003 average payout. See my other comments for elaboration on why the Bandcamp model is ultimately better for the artist. I don't deny that Spotify has improved the situation for many artists, but rather that it hasn't done enough and other approaches do it better , and I believe thi…

Yes, Bandcamp leaves a bigger percentage to the musician - from nothing/less. For a variety of reasons, Bandcamp is not actually being used and thus not doing for artists what Spotify has. You can start a personal crusade to combat that, but as long as you do not actually make it work (and I think there is good reasons rooted in what Spotify does well over Bandcamp and the service the former provides that the later w…

I didn't actually make that argument, though. I said that a user who circumvents ads on Spotify and buys albums from Bandcamp is more profitable for the artist than someone who just listens to Spotify ads, and I believe that this is factually true. A quick review of Google will turn up endless testimonies from artists who make more money from Bandcamp, usually by an order of magnitude or more. Spotify may be better than anything we had before (I don't believe this is true, but assume it for the moment), it is not better than anything that came after.

For the record, I am steelmanning a position in which abject piracy is a social negative, which I do not actually believe, but if we take that at face value my arguments still hold.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by jug » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 12:16 PM UTC

portaouflop wrote: post #66

jbverschoor wrote: post #38

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"bandwidth from a multibillion, multinational corporation" that started out as a frontend for the pirate bay. They were probably friends, as both are from Sweden.

So they started out pirating music and then decided they want to get rich from stolen culture while giving nothing back. That is taking the whole pirate meme a bit too literally.

Their Beta yeah, but the vast majority of their wealth is built on venture capital where they give many things back. It's a very popular service that musicians want to be on. Neither popularity nor musicians would happen if they didn't give anything back.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by apwell23 » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 12:17 PM UTC

pcthrowaway wrote: post #108

apwell23 wrote: post #76

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> By reading the rest of my comment. I did. You made a silly assumption that all artists put their music up on bandcamp. No one even knows what bandcamp is my area.

Why would artists not put their music up on one of the most well-known platforms that allow people to significantly support them by purchasing a copy of their music. I legitimately don't get it. I don't necessarily believe that Spotify is necessarily worse as a way to make money from their music (I think ad-supported and subscription "bundling" services such as Youtube and Spotify probably result in more money going…

> I legitimately don't get it.

Because its not " one of the most well-known platforms" outside english speaking countries. I assure you no one in Sri Lanka or India know what bandcamp is.

This kind of western arrogance is kind of infuriating to ppl from other parts of the world. Like american tourist demanding that ppl speak to them in english in turkey.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by westhanover » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 12:19 PM UTC

apwell23 wrote: post #101

drewdevault wrote: post #83

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Bandcamp is available in more markets than Spotify. Not sure how that's relevant to my argument, though.

Here is an example of an artist not on bandcamp . This is what i am listening currently on spotify( I have no idea who this is) Odeon Yılları Album by Nesrin Sipahi

So mail her a check? Do we have to think of everything for you?

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by westhanover » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 12:20 PM UTC

pelasaco wrote: post #80

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #33

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It’s not your job to decide what Spotify’s business model is.

and is your job to say what people should do or not?

Obviously you have had your feelings hurt. If you don’t work for Spotify, it is by definition not your job.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by apwell23 » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 12:21 PM UTC

morelisp wrote: post #111

apwell23 wrote: post #97

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> I assure you that every artist that wants to make money will have set up _something_ besides Spotify since it’s practically impossible to make money through them. you are wrong in your assurances( eg: i am listening to this on spotify at the moment Odeon Yılları Album by Nesrin Sipahi ) and your "other options" have nothing to do with how you listen to their music. Ppl listening on spotify also go to concerts they…

Are you saying Nesrin Sipahi, who received a personal award from the president, has nothing but Spotify?

No idea who that artist is. It something spotify recommended and I am into it.

I didn't find that artist on bandcamp or any other non-streaming platforms. only on spotify, youtube, apple music. Are they not equivalent, didn't realize you were making a point specifically about spotify.

And yes I will surely go to that artist concert if they are in my area. Me listening to on spotify has nothing to do with it. If anything I would've never found that music if it wasn't for spotify.