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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by portaouflop »

apwell23 wrote: post #78
portaouflop wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you care about the artist here pay them directly either through bandcamp, by going to the physical shows and buying merch, ordering physical copies of their music at the label, patreon, or whatever form of direct support they have set up. Spotify is just leeching of the culture and as drew pointed out you will be 10000 times more effective if you use one of those options. Spotify is more or less just a signal boos…

> If you care about the artist here pay them directly either through bandcamp Not everyone is on bandcamp. Seems like some sort of north american website.

I listed four other concrete options and closed with “or whatever other direct support method they have set up” — I assure you that every artist that wants to make money will have set up _something_ besides Spotify since it’s practically impossible to make money through them.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by drewdevault »

jstummbillig wrote: post #84
drewdevault wrote: post #26

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Direct your passion for getting musicians paid to Spotify and the distribution system, not to this. If everyone who uses this software were to use Spotify direct, ads and all, in the long run it would make pennies for the artists at best. You're better off listening to music however you please and buying albums on Bandcamp to support the artists; a lifetime of spotify listening will make less money for an artist you…

> a lifetime of spotify listening will make less money for an artist you like than buying a single album from them on Bandcamp. This is false. And I mean, dramatically. > Even if you only listen to one artist, 8 hours per day, 365 days a year, they will earn a whopping... 100 bucks from Spotify. It's roughly 200$. Number of songs per hour: 60 minutes / 3 minutes per song = 20 songs Total listening hours per year: 8 h…

You and I did the same back-of-the-napkin math and arrived at slightly different numbers; I used a 5 minute average song duration and $0.003 average payout. See my other comments for elaboration on why the Bandcamp model is ultimately better for the artist.

I don't deny that Spotify has improved the situation for many artists, but rather that it hasn't done enough and other approaches do it better, and I believe this is factually true.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by unnamed76ri »

gallexme wrote: post #47
erinnh wrote: post #35

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https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2024/01/11/spotify-stream-m...

1000 annual listens? That's likely less than 1$/mo revenue the artists get no? Even small time musicians I know have about 1000 listens a month Seems to me just like yt monetization partner program which required like 50€ revenue for payout and 1000 subs+approval for even enabling monetization (some time ago unsure if it's still limited for new accounts ) Unless I'm missing something it mainly just trims out mass pro…

It is similar but different to what YouTube did (which also sucked).

How many musicians do you know of that only ever released one song? This isn’t about the streaming revenue for one song (though that is how Spotify tries to frame it). There are 1000s of artist who might have even been fairly successful at one point who have dozens or more songs in their back catalog that don’t have over 1000 streams per year. Add up the lost revenue from all of those together and it isn’t about just a couple bucks anymore.

Further, even approaching the argument from how much it means per song is granting Spotify a pass that this is in any way fair to artists. Why should the top 1% of artists take even more money while the struggling musician now gets nothing?

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by drewdevault »

jsnell wrote: post #87
drewdevault wrote: post #61

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I've spent thousands of dollars on Bandcamp over the past several years, attended many live shows, bought merchandise, etc. Suggesting that one is "pretending" to do these things when making this argument is a hell of a strawman. I feel like pretending that you're supporting your favorite artists by listening them on Spotify is a bit more of an appropriate comparison.

I meant the generic "you" of an user of this app. I'm sure you specifically don't actually use this app, and just listen to the music you bought. But the main selling point of this app, i.e. the actual submission, is to get the music for free and no ads. The target market of it is not going to be paying a cent, because the entire reason the app exists and was submitted is to avoid paying much smaller amounts for musi…

This is perhaps true (but I'm not sure it is), but consider the context of this thread: we're specifically making arguments to an audience of people who care about artists being paid.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by HeWhoLurksLate »

gumballindie wrote: post #81
pelasaco wrote: post #75

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What is more hacker than bypassing rules and paid services? What was phreaking all about?

Stealing content is not the type of rule breaking that phreaking was about.

phreaking was literally theft lol

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by apwell23 »

kossTKR wrote: post #36
Reubend wrote: post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

Deserve to be paid by whom though, Spotify already pays nothing? A song with 10000000 (10 million) streams , a pretty big hit and only reserved for big artists will give you 500 dollars before cuts, taxes etc. So not even the biggest artists will make anything substantial.

why are they publishing music on spotify then?

I've discovered many artists on spotify and have paid for their live concerts.

Curious, how do you discover music ?

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by apwell23 »

portaouflop wrote: post #91
apwell23 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you care about the artist here pay them directly either through bandcamp Not everyone is on bandcamp. Seems like some sort of north american website.

I listed four other concrete options and closed with “or whatever other direct support method they have set up” — I assure you that every artist that wants to make money will have set up _something_ besides Spotify since it’s practically impossible to make money through them.

> I assure you that every artist that wants to make money will have set up _something_ besides Spotify since it’s practically impossible to make money through them.

you are wrong in your assurances( eg: i am listening to this on spotify at the moment Odeon Yılları Album by Nesrin Sipahi ) and your "other options" have nothing to do with how you listen to their music. Ppl listening on spotify also go to concerts they are not mutually exclusive.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by morelisp »

apwell23 wrote: post #78
portaouflop wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you care about the artist here pay them directly either through bandcamp, by going to the physical shows and buying merch, ordering physical copies of their music at the label, patreon, or whatever form of direct support they have set up. Spotify is just leeching of the culture and as drew pointed out you will be 10000 times more effective if you use one of those options. Spotify is more or less just a signal boos…

> If you care about the artist here pay them directly either through bandcamp Not everyone is on bandcamp. Seems like some sort of north american website.

Please connect to reality.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by hutzlibu »

unnamed76ri wrote: post #93
gallexme wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1000 annual listens? That's likely less than 1$/mo revenue the artists get no? Even small time musicians I know have about 1000 listens a month Seems to me just like yt monetization partner program which required like 50€ revenue for payout and 1000 subs+approval for even enabling monetization (some time ago unsure if it's still limited for new accounts ) Unless I'm missing something it mainly just trims out mass pro…

It is similar but different to what YouTube did (which also sucked). How many musicians do you know of that only ever released one song? This isn’t about the streaming revenue for one song (though that is how Spotify tries to frame it). There are 1000s of artist who might have even been fairly successful at one point who have dozens or more songs in their back catalog that don’t have over 1000 streams per year. Add u…

Agreed in general.

"and it isn’t about just a couple bucks anymore."

And I want to add, that for quite some musicians, a couple of bucks can make the difference between being able to (partly) pay the rent, or not.

And those are usually the ones making interesting music. So I rather would like the trend reversed, less for the superstars, more for the unkown artists. But this is unlikely to change with these services.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by jbverschoor »

piva00 wrote: post #82
jbverschoor wrote: post #39

Very cool mixup.. I have yt premium, and I boycotted Spotify a long time ago. However, Spotify is probably still the best service for playlists.

YouTube Music pays less than Spotify per stream, if you're boycotting Spotify for that reason I think it's good to be aware of it.

I'm boycotting them because of many things.

Although youtube music is in the plan, I don't use it, because the UI is not that great and there's this weird entanglement with youtube videos.

I generally use (video) youtube and soundcloud for music. They're the easiest way to find the stuff I like to listen to.

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