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HN has sadly become a bit of a #warezcentral. People demanding free stuff, either to train their ai models or for personal consumption.
What is more hacker than bypassing rules and paid services? What was phreaking all about?
Very cool mixup.. I have yt premium, and I boycotted Spotify a long time ago. However, Spotify is probably still the best service for playlists.
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>How exactly do you do this By reading the rest of my comment. >What a dishonest comment to support stealing. Copying is not theft.
> By reading the rest of my comment. I did. You made a silly assumption that all artists put their music up on bandcamp. No one even knows what bandcamp is my area.
While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…
Direct your passion for getting musicians paid to Spotify and the distribution system, not to this. If everyone who uses this software were to use Spotify direct, ads and all, in the long run it would make pennies for the artists at best. You're better off listening to music however you please and buying albums on Bandcamp to support the artists; a lifetime of spotify listening will make less money for an artist you…
This is false. And I mean, dramatically.
> Even if you only listen to one artist, 8 hours per day, 365 days a year, they will earn a whopping... 100 bucks from Spotify.
It's roughly 200$.
Number of songs per hour: 60 minutes / 3 minutes per song = 20 songs
Total listening hours per year: 8 hours/day * 365 days = 2,920 hours
Total streams per year: 20 songs/hour * 2,920 hours = 58,400 streams
Total earnings: 58,400 streams * $0.004 (average pay rate) = $233.60
How high do you think that number should be, to be non-"whopping"?
I am seriously confused about what or who anti-streamers think they are zealoting for, what alternative fantasy they are defending.
As someone who has worked in the music industry (i.e. the people actually making a living through music) I witnessed Spotify/YT and the likes as an absolute force of creation of a new class of musicians, that would never have existed before.
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Taking the music without compensation and pretending that you're totally going to buy some music or merch from some other artist doesn't actually lead to artists being compensated. While in the plan where you buy music and only listen to the music you bought you don't need this app at all.
I've spent thousands of dollars on Bandcamp over the past several years, attended many live shows, bought merchandise, etc. Suggesting that one is "pretending" to do these things when making this argument is a hell of a strawman. I feel like pretending that you're supporting your favorite artists by listening them on Spotify is a bit more of an appropriate comparison.
I don't understand what does attending live shows have to do with how you listen to their music. Ppl who do listen on spotify also do that.
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> Direct your passion for getting musicians paid to Spotify and the distribution system, not to this. How exactly do you do this ? What a dishonest comment to support stealing.
>How exactly do you do this By reading the rest of my comment. >What a dishonest comment to support stealing. Copying is not theft.
What a dishonesty.
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Taking the music without compensation and pretending that you're totally going to buy some music or merch from some other artist doesn't actually lead to artists being compensated. While in the plan where you buy music and only listen to the music you bought you don't need this app at all.
I've spent thousands of dollars on Bandcamp over the past several years, attended many live shows, bought merchandise, etc. Suggesting that one is "pretending" to do these things when making this argument is a hell of a strawman. I feel like pretending that you're supporting your favorite artists by listening them on Spotify is a bit more of an appropriate comparison.
But the main selling point of this app, i.e. the actual submission, is to get the music for free and no ads. The target market of it is not going to be paying a cent, because the entire reason the app exists and was submitted is to avoid paying much smaller amounts for music than what you're paying.
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>How exactly do you do this By reading the rest of my comment. >What a dishonest comment to support stealing. Copying is not theft.
Copying is robbing the artist of their revenue. So you are actually proposing a solution to make life worse for artists. What a dishonesty.
Moreover, I have proposed ways of engaging with music which makes substantially more money for artists. I am not the one being dishonest here.
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I've spent thousands of dollars on Bandcamp over the past several years, attended many live shows, bought merchandise, etc. Suggesting that one is "pretending" to do these things when making this argument is a hell of a strawman. I feel like pretending that you're supporting your favorite artists by listening them on Spotify is a bit more of an appropriate comparison.
> attended many live shows, bought merchandise, etc. I don't understand what does attending live shows have to do with how you listen to their music. Ppl who do listen on spotify also do that.