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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by screye »

someotherperson wrote: post #196
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue. When Netflix's streaming platform rolled around people were largely happy to stop pirating, when Netflix's catalog fragmented across two dozen different services that forbid account sharing then piracy became a thing again for many people who stopped pirating. I had a Paramount+ subscription (alongside Disney, Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV) and wanted to…

I mostly agree, but this tool is for spotify. Spotify is about as convieinient as a streaming music platform gets. That being said, most people (including me) happily pay for spotify, so your point still stands.

I refuse to pay for a streaming platform that's not Netflix or prime. The former benefits from being grand fathered in and the latter is a free bonus on something I would buy anyway.

It also sucks that cancelling a subscription is as hard as it is. If you want me to pay to watch 1 specific TV show, then give me a payment plan that allows me to pay for an expiring subscription. Simple.

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Post by code_runner »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #186
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

I think a lot of it also has to do with the ethics of music distribution and the fact that spotify pays the actual artists almost nothing. p.s. probably not engineers in the literal sense ;)

This is a label and industry problem not specific to any one streamer.

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Post by swozey »

maroonblazer wrote: post #222
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Kind of related to this mentality, perhaps: On Sam Harris's most recent episode of "Making Sense" with TED's Chris Anderson[0] he shared a Reddit conversation he came across where people were discussing whether or not they subscribe, i.e., pay, for his podcast: >> I spectated upon this [Reddit] thread, something around "Do you support Sam's podcast and and you if do, why or why not?" and someone said "Well I would su…

What even is that? Just straight up entitlement? Ignorance to the situation? Just not caring?

He has a great point, I can't think of any times I've ever asked those questions unless I thought the book author was grifting, where I'd go "Oh they're dog whistling to their flock for sales."

I never thought "I hope mac miller doesn't use this $20 for drugs" buying mac miller albums..

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by vvillena »

Reubend wrote: post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

> Musician deserve to be paid for their work

I agree. Does Spotify use my money to pay the people I listen to on a given month? They do not. They lump all the revenue together and use it to pay for content in a set of deals with music distribution companies, and some individual artists/podcasters. Which means the percentages are skewed in favor of the big names and labels.

A fair subscription music service should be transparent, and even be able to provide detailed information about how much you are paying to the artists you listen to. E.g. if I don't listen to Coldplay, none of my money should go to Coldplay. If the streaming service wants to, they can use part of their cut to pay Coldplay a bit of extra money.

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Post by InCityDreams »

KoftaBob wrote: post #192
westhanover wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is the musician’s job to figure out how to pay his bills not mine.

and it's your job to figure out how to entertain yourself, you're not entitled to get that entertainment from music for free.

Radio is free. And I change station when the ads come on.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by someotherperson »

ralusek wrote: post #214
theappsecguy wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

70-300k is a crazy wide range to lump together. Quality of life and flexibility to pay for things is extremely different across it. That said, the reason is simple, there’s no good product out there so people pirate. I haven’t pirated music in ages because Spotify solved that industry with a single reasonably priced offering. On the other hand the dozens of streaming services have gotten out of hand by now. Same with…

> especially given how mediocre 95% of production has been in recent years Okay, then don’t watch it. If you’re watching it, though, you should pay for it. Your logic is the equivalent of going out to restaurants to eat, and then not paying because “restaurants aren’t good these days.”

It's probably closer to having to pay a monthly subscription fee to eat at the restaurant. And you actually have to get six different subscriptions at different restaurants because each one has a different rotating menu. And you're not allowed to share your food with your friends because they don't live with you -- they each need their own subscription. And no to-go boxes, you gotta eat it right there at the restaurant since you're only allowed to eat the food while you have an active subscription, you know, just in case you cancel the subscription to that restaurant or try to share the food with your friends who don't have an active subscription.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by jwagenet »

unnamed76ri wrote: post #177
gnfargbl wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you mean the changes declared in https://artists.spotify.com/en/blog/modernizing-our-royalty-... , then I find it hard to reconcile the description given there with your editorialization.

Taking the news directly from Spotify? Try this for another perspective: https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2024/01/11/spotify-stream-m...

I listen to a lot of music under 1000 streams, artists with 10s to 100s of monthly listens. Based on the junk that makes it to my discover weekly or release radar, some big percent of that <1000 listen cohort is spam that’s ai generated or has erroneously added real artists as collaborators to get well positioned. I have a lot of respect for actual musicians trying to make money, but I am honestly ok with Spotify setting a threshold for payouts to divert that cash to real artists.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by hedora »

switch007 wrote: post #167
jstummbillig wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a lifetime of spotify listening will make less money for an artist you like than buying a single album from them on Bandcamp. This is false. And I mean, dramatically. > Even if you only listen to one artist, 8 hours per day, 365 days a year, they will earn a whopping... 100 bucks from Spotify. It's roughly 200$. Number of songs per hour: 60 minutes / 3 minutes per song = 20 songs Total listening hours per year: 8 h…

What's the median payout? i.e. is it skewed by some very high earning artists?

$0.

13,400 bands (not artists) got paid over $50K by spotify in 2020:

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/how-many-artists-are-...

There are 8 million artists on spotify, and over 80% had under fifty monthly listeners:

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/over-75-of-artists-on...

Put another way, 0.16% made over $50K. That's median income in the US. If you assume the money gets split across 5 band members, that's median income in Indonesia.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by seanthemon »

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

My problem is region locking, if I can't access the content in any way without potentially purchasing a very expensive TV package, I'm left with only one choice. A lot of music on spotify can't be accessed in my region and same with movies/series.

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Post by paulcole »

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

They refuse to say it’s about money. It’s some kind of mish-mash rationalization of sticking it to the man, convoluted technical explanations (they’re my HTTP requests you can just return a 403 error), and moral outrage.
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