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EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

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Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#51
I find it kind of cute that they set up this mock-up currency 'kudos' to toy around with it. (https://demo.taler.net/en/)

What makes it (more) cute is that you can use it to reserve entries in their GNS first-come-first-served service. (https://fcfs.gnunet.org/)

GNS being the GNU Name System which is a decentralized/p2p equivalent to DNS. (https://www.gnunet.org/en/gns.html)

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#52
post #47

People should know that 1. it's not based on any kind of blockchain, 2. it's not a currency, it's a payment system which you could use to transfer other currencies (euro, dollar, ...) and 3. unlike most blockchain-based currencies it offers anonymity (only for buyers, not for sellers, though)

Indeed, GNU Taler doesn't use a blockchain, as a blockchain cannot actually implement digital cash. In a blockchain, transactions are necessarily centralized — on a distributed ledger maintained using a peer-to-peer protocol, but the transactions themselves are still account-based —, so they are effectively equivalent to wire transfers, i.e., just accounting entries: they cannot take place between two offline parties…

I’m confused. Why do they say in their FAQ that peer-to-peer payments only appear as such, and actually need to go through a payment provider?

https://taler.net/en/faq.html

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

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post #39
post #18

My question is: How does the average Jane and Joe benefits compared to Debit and Credit Cards? Privacy, they do not care. Being anonymous, they do not care. So a dead initiative?

Debit and credit cards are not popular everywhere. In Germany, their market share is below 50% in e-commerce transactions. In retail it's just above 50%. If you look at the overall volume, 82% of their transactions are made in cash. Now, would they swap cash this solution? I doubt it... Privacy is a reason but not the only one.

Germany is particularly weird for that. Visiting Germany from the UK or Poland paying for stuff feels like going back in time like 15-20 years.

I have a strong memory of going to a cafe next to my hotel in Berlin and ordering a coffee and being completely shocked I couldn't pay for it by card. I hadn't even considered that I might need cash. After some conversation the nice lady in the cafe told me keep the coffee and to come back the next day with the cash. They really hate card payments for some reason.

On the other hand in Poland I've been unable to use my card in a couple of places because they only take mobile payments/Blik. The contrast is wild.

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#55
post #41

If I could rig my browser to pay 1 cent for every newspaper article I read, I would happily do so. The biggest issue with paying for news is that you are reduced to a small handful of sources. I would like to read a couple of articles from a hundred sources, not a hundred articles from one source. Not sure this platform solves the problem, but it would be a game changer if it did.

Yeah, it's weird that no one ever made that model work. I think it was tried?

Flattr was a kind of a version of that (although billed as "donations"), and it recently shut down.

https://flattr.com/

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#56
post #24
post #18

My question is: How does the average Jane and Joe benefits compared to Debit and Credit Cards? Privacy, they do not care. Being anonymous, they do not care. So a dead initiative?

If it’s equally convenient and cheaper, people could easily use this. It may even be their bank who sets it up for them when they pay for something. I know at least one person employed in banking who thinks it’s insane that Visa and Mastercard get a 2% cut of any transaction.

The EU solved that in 2015, the fee is capped at 0.3% for credit cards and 0.2% for debit cards. Call up / write to your representative in whatever country you live in and ask why your country hasn't done that yet.

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#57
post #41

If I could rig my browser to pay 1 cent for every newspaper article I read, I would happily do so. The biggest issue with paying for news is that you are reduced to a small handful of sources. I would like to read a couple of articles from a hundred sources, not a hundred articles from one source. Not sure this platform solves the problem, but it would be a game changer if it did.

Yeah, it's weird that no one ever made that model work. I think it was tried?

Take the Brave browser, swap their crypto wallet for this.

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#58
post #18

My question is: How does the average Jane and Joe benefits compared to Debit and Credit Cards? Privacy, they do not care. Being anonymous, they do not care. So a dead initiative?

Dutch debit cards cannot be used for online payments abroad. So the benefit is being able to make payments to, eg: Germany.

Credit cards are terrible. One has to share a few secret numbers with the merchant and the merchant then takes money out of the cards account. It relies on fully trusting every single merchant to have perfect honestly and security.

Plus credit cards have a transaction cost that is paid to foreign companies. It’s quite ridiculous that a Dutch person buying online in Germany ends up paying a tiny transaction cost to a third country.

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#59
post #55
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's weird that no one ever made that model work. I think it was tried?

Flattr was a kind of a version of that (although billed as "donations"), and it recently shut down. https://flattr.com/

I appreciate the "service no longer exists" page. But is there any official statement why flattr was closed down?

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#60

My impression (which might be unfair since I haven't used the Taler system) is that this looks like a technically better but practically worse version of payment systems which already exist in parts of Europe like the Polish Blik, Swedish Swish, Norwegian Vipps and the one they have in the Netherlands (I forgot the name of that one). In "the real world" I really don't want to be dealing with a wallet of electronic ca…

> and the one they have in the Netherlands (I forgot the name of that one).

iDeal you mean?

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