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EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

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Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

...and, as quoted by sunshine_reggae, lower transaction costs.

as an average joe on the consumer end I don't care about transaction costs. at least here in germany that's the vendor's problem.

Won't the vendors just design their prices in a way that it's economically feasible for them - they just include the transaction costs in the price?

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...and, as quoted by sunshine_reggae, lower transaction costs.

as an average joe on the consumer end I don't care about transaction costs. at least here in germany that's the vendor's problem.

the vendor factors them in the final price, especially if you're buying something below 10 euros

not to mention online micropayments such as donations which could allow people to just send 1 dollar without fear of fees taking up most of it

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

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If I could rig my browser to pay 1 cent for every newspaper article I read, I would happily do so. The biggest issue with paying for news is that you are reduced to a small handful of sources. I would like to read a couple of articles from a hundred sources, not a hundred articles from one source. Not sure this platform solves the problem, but it would be a game changer if it did.

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#34
Great news from a project that deserves a close look for those not familiar with it already. Taler is very close in term of mindset to what Ripple was, as originally developped by Ryan Fugger, before helm changed hands and it became the commercial farce known as today's incarnation of Ripple / XRP.

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#35
Where is the balance in my wallet stored?

Your wallet stores digital coins and thus ultimately your computer holds your balance. The exchange keeps funds matching all unspent coins in a settlement account.

What if my wallet is lost?

Since the digital coins of value in your wallet are anonymized, the exchange can not assist you in recovering a lost or stolen wallet. Just like with a physical wallet for cash, you are responsible for keeping it safe.

The risk of losing a wallet can be mitigated by making backups or keeping the balance reasonably low.[1]

Ah. This is Chaum's DigiCash, from 1990.[2] A good idea, too early.

It's a system where coins are protected against double-spending by a database back-end. Which is how some centrally issued cryptocurrencies actually work.

The half-anonymity is interesting. The recipient is not anonymous, but the sender is. That may make it a politically acceptable substitute for cash.

It has the nice property that, unlike debit cards, etc., the recipient can't take more of your money than you give them.

[1] https://taler.net/en/faq.html

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiCash

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#36
post #18

My question is: How does the average Jane and Joe benefits compared to Debit and Credit Cards? Privacy, they do not care. Being anonymous, they do not care. So a dead initiative?

I absolutely care about privacy. Also, if I can pay the kebab shop with less fee with my phone(hopefully) rather than them putting up a note that “only cash”(because CC charges large fees), it’ll be an immediate win for me to avoid carrying wallet full of heavy coins and cash everywhere like medieval times.

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#37
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They explicitly mention that it’s not.

> Taler does not require any Blockchain technology, and is also not based on proof-of-work or any other distributed consensus mechanism. Instead, Taler is based on blind signatures. However, it is theoretically possible to combine Taler with peer-to-peer crypto-currencies like Bitcoin. > It would be possible, however, to withdraw coins denominated in Bitcoin into a Taler wallet (with an appropriate exchange), which w…

> I don't really know what to make of it.

It's a federated system/protocol that doesn't have a currency of its own. There should be Exchanges you are supposed to trust, that accept your CURRENCY_NAME and give you anonymous tokens (think of it as electronic cash) in exchange. You spend them in Merchants' shops. The Merchants claim the CURRENCY_NAME back from the Exchanges. No one knows what you bought but the Merchants can be audited by the Government to be taxed. That's their plan as I understand it.

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#38
post #18

My question is: How does the average Jane and Joe benefits compared to Debit and Credit Cards? Privacy, they do not care. Being anonymous, they do not care. So a dead initiative?

You can't pay your average person with a Debit or Credit card Edit: yes I am familiar with the various 'sending money to people' systems in Europe, but they don't rely on a debit card for the most part, rather, your bank account

In Scandinavia we do exactly that via the Vipps platform and mobile app.

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#39
post #18

My question is: How does the average Jane and Joe benefits compared to Debit and Credit Cards? Privacy, they do not care. Being anonymous, they do not care. So a dead initiative?

Debit and credit cards are not popular everywhere. In Germany, their market share is below 50% in e-commerce transactions. In retail it's just above 50%. If you look at the overall volume, 82% of their transactions are made in cash.

Now, would they swap cash this solution? I doubt it... Privacy is a reason but not the only one.

Re: EU NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone

#40
post #18

My question is: How does the average Jane and Joe benefits compared to Debit and Credit Cards? Privacy, they do not care. Being anonymous, they do not care. So a dead initiative?

You can't pay your average person with a Debit or Credit card Edit: yes I am familiar with the various 'sending money to people' systems in Europe, but they don't rely on a debit card for the most part, rather, your bank account

Across a lot of Europe there are systems/companies which already fill this role. I'm familiar with Blik in Poland which in addition to letting you buy stuff online and in person pretty also lets you send money to an average person using only their mobile phone number.
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