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China Told Women to Have Babies, but Its Population Shrank Again

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Re: China Told Women to Have Babies, but Its Population Shrank Again

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Raising kids absolutely sucks 99.9% of the time. Society is constantly riding your ass demanding you follow their every law, desire, and regulation and if you do it right no one gives a shit other than to milk the kid dry in taxes for being raised to be productive. If you do it wrong, well there's a jail cell waiting and you lose all your friends and family and live in terrible guilt. The kid, well perhaps rightly th…

Are you actually a parent? That seems like a very warped view.

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Re: China Told Women to Have Babies, but Its Population Shrank Again

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I see both side of the equation here honestly... fyi I have kids, the two for one deal. On one side, kids are tough. It is a commitment, if you are used to a certain lifestyle of travel and individual activities things are going to get significantly tough. Not impossible, but it will probably be different to accommodate others needs. On top of that my wife career has been pushed aside for a few years to help the kids…

bravo.

human worth, value of family can actually be measured in $¥€ now with the added benefit of being able to opt out.

But there is another, less savvy controlling idea among the would-be-parents, that is: family through marriage is shaky at best. Mate selection is a wild ride.

Re: China Told Women to Have Babies, but Its Population Shrank Again

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I have come the conclusion that kids have basically gone from asset to liability over the last century. And even if they may not express it in these terms or have hard numbers to back it up, people know this intuitively. In the 1920s there was no social security so having kids to take care of you in your old days was a must, expectations were somewhat low. You could get a lot of kids because making them all share one…

> go to a good college (that you're expected to help pay for) Either don’t send your kids to college or don’t expect society to pay for them then

Checking in briefly as a person whose parents paid for college: I feel as though I owe these people 9/10 or more of everything I own and if push came to shove, I would be happy to pay all of their bills until they die.

Put otherwise, these two people have created quite an asset in me and we aren’t even considering their other children. I doubt very much that any one of their financial or physical assets would go to the lengths to which I would go to protect and aid them.

Re: China Told Women to Have Babies, but Its Population Shrank Again

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I have come the conclusion that kids have basically gone from asset to liability over the last century. And even if they may not express it in these terms or have hard numbers to back it up, people know this intuitively. In the 1920s there was no social security so having kids to take care of you in your old days was a must, expectations were somewhat low. You could get a lot of kids because making them all share one…

> kids have basically gone from asset to liability over the last century This has happened in virtually every country that has moved from the farms to the cities. In farms, kids are added labor - in the city, not so much.

Entrepreneurs like Restaurant owners can amortise their children.

Other than that, your kids will make other people rich

Re: China Told Women to Have Babies, but Its Population Shrank Again

#26

Raising kids absolutely sucks 99.9% of the time. Society is constantly riding your ass demanding you follow their every law, desire, and regulation and if you do it right no one gives a shit other than to milk the kid dry in taxes for being raised to be productive. If you do it wrong, well there's a jail cell waiting and you lose all your friends and family and live in terrible guilt. The kid, well perhaps rightly th…

Are you actually a parent? That seems like a very warped view.

Yeah people look down on me when I talk like this. It’s like you must love it if you’re going through it.

I love my son but caring for a child from nine a.m. to eleven p.m. is exhausting.

Re: China Told Women to Have Babies, but Its Population Shrank Again

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post #6

I have come the conclusion that kids have basically gone from asset to liability over the last century. And even if they may not express it in these terms or have hard numbers to back it up, people know this intuitively. In the 1920s there was no social security so having kids to take care of you in your old days was a must, expectations were somewhat low. You could get a lot of kids because making them all share one…

As with a number of other things of a similar nature, if societies want to boost birth rates they will ultimately have to subsidize it.

In the US we could increase the child tax credit, provide subsidized day care, reduce higher education costs, and build more housing.

Not sure how you’d go about it in China as their costs and structure is different.

Re: China Told Women to Have Babies, but Its Population Shrank Again

#29

I see both side of the equation here honestly... fyi I have kids, the two for one deal. On one side, kids are tough. It is a commitment, if you are used to a certain lifestyle of travel and individual activities things are going to get significantly tough. Not impossible, but it will probably be different to accommodate others needs. On top of that my wife career has been pushed aside for a few years to help the kids…

bravo. human worth, value of family can actually be measured in $¥€ now with the added benefit of being able to opt out. But there is another, less savvy controlling idea among the would-be-parents, that is: family through marriage is shaky at best. Mate selection is a wild ride.

> human worth, value of family can actually be measured in $¥€ now with the added benefit of being able to opt out.

Always has been, look at any agrarian culture.

Re: China Told Women to Have Babies, but Its Population Shrank Again

#30

Raising kids absolutely sucks 99.9% of the time. Society is constantly riding your ass demanding you follow their every law, desire, and regulation and if you do it right no one gives a shit other than to milk the kid dry in taxes for being raised to be productive. If you do it wrong, well there's a jail cell waiting and you lose all your friends and family and live in terrible guilt. The kid, well perhaps rightly th…

I don't know man, I know it sounds cliche, but kids were one of the best things that "accidentally" happened to me. Its really not as bad as most people make it out to be. I even got 2 for 1 type deal. Sure there are bad days, but most are good. And maybe someday, when the money is gone, and the pensions are one fire, they will take care of me.

> And maybe someday, when the money is gone, and the pensions are one fire, they will take care of me.

That's looking less and less likely. Children are more likely to move away, around the world or further from home these days. And unless you move close to them, most likely you will not see them. Statistically, anyways.

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